Zenvia Inc. (ZENV) Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript
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Overview
The earnings call highlights stable financial performance with strong revenue growth expectations for Zenvia Customer Cloud. However, the lack of formal guidance and cautious management in migrating customers indicate uncertainty. The Q&A session revealed concerns about asset sales and customer churn, although management remains confident in growth. The decision to not provide guidance could negatively impact sentiment, but the overall outlook remains balanced, leading to a neutral prediction for stock price movement.
Key Financial Performance
Revenue In Q1 2025, revenue grew by 39% year-over-year, reaching almost BRL 300 million. This growth was mainly driven by the CPaaS segment.
Consolidated Adjusted Gross Profit Declined by 21% year-over-year to BRL 74 million from BRL 94 million. The gross margin decreased by 25%. This was due to a higher CPaaS mix with lower margins and increased SMS costs applied by carriers, as well as the transition to Zenvia Customer Cloud in the SaaS business.
Normalized EBITDA Totaled BRL 20 million in Q1 2025. This was in line with expectations and is expected to increase progressively. Approximately BRL 8 million in one-time severance costs were incurred during the quarter.
CPaaS Revenue Increased by 58% year-over-year, making up 73% of total revenues. Growth was driven by certain customers with tight margins, which is part of a strategy to acquire clients at tighter margins for long-term benefits.
SaaS Revenue Increased by 5% year-over-year, representing 27% of total revenues. Growth was mainly driven by higher revenues from SMB customers, despite a decrease in adjusted gross margins due to the transition to Zenvia Customer Cloud.
SaaS Adjusted Gross Profit Remained flat year-over-year at BRL 43 million, with adjusted gross margin decreasing by 2.7 percentage points to 54%. The decrease was due to the ramp-up phase of Zenvia Customer Cloud.
G&A Expenses Decreased by 24% year-over-year to BRL 24 million, representing 8% of revenues compared to 14.7% in the same period of 2024. This reduction was due to a 15% workforce reduction announced in January, expected to save BRL 30-35 million in 2025.
EBITDA minus CapEx Recorded a positive BRL 10 million inflow in Q1 2025, remaining mostly stable year-over-year.
Cash Balance Ended the quarter with BRL 86 million in cash.
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Operating Highlights
Zenvia Customer Cloud: Revenue from Zenvia Customer Cloud solutions increased 15% year-over-year. The business is still in its ramp-up phase, and further scaling is expected in the next quarter.
Market Expansion in Brazil and Latin America: Focus on expanding Zenvia Customer Cloud in Brazil and Latin America as part of the new strategic cycle.
Cost Reduction: G&A expenses decreased 24% year-over-year, reaching BRL 24 million. Workforce reduction of 15% announced in January is expected to save BRL 30-35 million in 2025.
AI Integration: AI is being integrated to streamline operations and improve efficiency in client service and internal processes.
Strategic Cycle Rollout: New strategic cycle focuses on accelerating organic growth, leveraging a scalable platform and partner ecosystem, and deleveraging the company.
Divestment of Non-Core Assets: Opportunities to divest non-core assets are being evaluated to optimize the capital structure.
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Risk or Challenges
Margin Pressure in CPaaS Business: The CPaaS business experienced margin pressure due to a higher mix of CPaaS with lower margins and increased SMS costs applied by carriers in January. These costs are expected to be passed through prices throughout the year, impacting profitability.
Transition to Zenvia Customer Cloud: The transition to Zenvia Customer Cloud is still in its ramp-up phase, leading to temporary impacts on SaaS margins and profitability. This transition is expected to improve over time but currently poses a challenge.
Workforce Reduction Costs: The company incurred approximately BRL 8 million in one-time severance costs related to a 15% workforce reduction announced in January, impacting short-term financials.
Low-Margin CPaaS Clients: The acquisition of CPaaS clients with lower margins has contributed to gross margin declines, though the company expects this strategy to pay off in the medium to long term.
Short-Term Profitability Impact from Strategic Cycle: The rollout of the new strategic cycle, including the expansion of Zenvia Customer Cloud and streamlining operations, is taking a toll on short-term profitability.
Potential Divestment of Non-Core Assets: The company is evaluating opportunities to divest non-core assets to optimize its capital structure, which could introduce uncertainties in the short term.
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Guidance & Outlook
EBITDA Growth: Normalized EBITDA totaled BRL 20 million in Q1 2025 and is expected to increase progressively over the course of the year.
Zenvia Customer Cloud Revenue Growth: Revenues from Zenvia Customer Cloud solutions increased 15% year-over-year and are expected to increase further as the business ramps up.
Cost Savings from Workforce Reduction: The workforce reduction announced in January 2025 is expected to result in cost savings between BRL 30 million and BRL 35 million in 2025, despite incurring BRL 8 million in severance costs in Q1.
CapEx Stability: CapEx for 2025 is expected to remain at the same level as 2024.
Strategic Focus on Zenvia Customer Cloud: The company is focused on expanding Zenvia Customer Cloud in Brazil and Latin America, accelerating organic growth, leveraging a scalable platform and partner ecosystem, and maintaining a commitment to deleveraging.
AI Integration: AI will play a key role in improving operational efficiency and client service.
Divestment of Non-Core Assets: The company will evaluate opportunities to divest non-core assets to optimize its capital structure.
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Shareholder Return Plan
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Key Q&A
Q:Could you talk on some more of the reasons behind the CPaaS growth in terms of SMS volume? Do you think there is an AI tailwind here with companies spending a lot more on campaigns now? Or is this a temporary short-term trend?
A:Cassio Bobsin Machado explained that the growth in SMS volume is due to seasonality and marketing campaigns relying on SMS as the main channel. It is not related to AI but is expected to maintain strong growth in the next couple of quarters. Shay Chor added that Q1 was strong, with high double-digit year-over-year growth in SMS volumes, though Q2 showed slight softening.
Q:Any more color on Zenvia Customer Cloud, would be helpful to understand how the 15% year-over-year growth for Customer Cloud is being calculated, given that Customer Cloud only launched in Q4? And does the 15% growth change the BRL 180 million to BRL 200 million guide for the year, given that it's lower than the 25%, 30% productive growth?
A:Management clarified that the 15% growth includes both new clients directly adopting Zenvia Customer Cloud and clients migrated from former businesses. They remain confident in achieving 25%-30% growth for the full year 2025 as the platform gains more recognition.
Q:What are the current headwinds for the faster adaptation for Zenvia Customer Cloud? Are the headwinds associated with the current high interest rates or customers cautious to migrate to Zenvia Customer Cloud?
A:Cassio Bobsin Machado stated that the company is being cautious in migrating customers to ensure they have a positive experience and fully understand the benefits of the new solution. The caution is on the company's side, not the customers'.
Q:Could you please provide some color on asset sales progress? How is the earnout payments going and more color on the leverage?
A:Management avoided commenting on specific asset sales, stating it is opportunistic. They are focused on deleveraging the balance sheet through liability management, sales of non-core assets, and streamlining operations to improve EBITDA.
Q:Can you provide us with guidance for the year or at least tell us how the trends are looking?
A:Management decided not to provide formal guidance due to volatility but shared short-term trends. CPaaS business remains strong but slightly decelerating in Q2. Zenvia Customer Cloud and SaaS are expected to grow at Q1 trends with some acceleration. Recurring EBITDA for Q2 is expected to be BRL 25-30 million, with stronger performance in the second half due to seasonality.
Q:How is Zenvia Customer Cloud different from the solutions offered by competitors?
A:Cassio Bobsin Machado explained that Zenvia Customer Cloud unifies marketing, sales, customer support, engagement, automation, and AI into a single platform with shared customer data. This integration provides a seamless experience and is particularly beneficial for small and medium businesses, as well as some large enterprises.
Q:Can you talk a little bit about clients who have been using customer cloud for the longest? What the trends look like? How do they mature usage?
A:Cassio Bobsin Machado noted that customers are adopting new modules more easily within Zenvia Customer Cloud compared to the previous stand-alone solutions. Cross-adoption rates are 15 times higher, leading to increased usage and upselling. Key sectors include health, education, retail, and financial services, with both medium-sized and large companies adopting the platform.
Q:Would love if you guys can provide more color into the new franchise model. How is it going? And expansion into other countries in Latin America, how big is this an opportunity?
A:The franchise model launched in Q1 with 0 partners and now has over 30 franchises. Management is optimistic about its growth potential. In Latin America, 40% of Zenvia Customer Cloud revenue comes from outside Brazil, with a target of BRL 50 million in revenue by 2025, representing over 50% growth compared to 2024.
Q:Can you please address the issue of customer churn? Is this a result of your business transition? What are you doing currently to retain customers?
A:Cassio Bobsin Machado explained that churn is higher in legacy solutions but healthy in core software like Zenvia Customer Cloud. Early churn occurs when customers find the solution unsuitable, but base churn is low. The company focuses on improving retention and cross-adoption to enhance customer development.
Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses
A:Management avoided providing specific details on asset sales progress, citing opportunistic evaluation. They also refrained from giving formal guidance for the year, citing volatility, and instead discussed short-term trends.
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