Western Alliance Bancorporation (WAL) Q3 2025 Earnings Call Transcript
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Overview
The earnings call reveals strong financial performance with increased loan balances, a $300 million stock buyback program, and optimistic growth expectations for 2026. Despite some seasonal reductions in Q4, the company anticipates strong earnings growth and stable asset quality. The Q&A section shows management's confidence in asset quality and reserves, and plans to accelerate stock buybacks. Overall, the combination of positive financial metrics, strategic buybacks, and optimistic guidance suggests a positive sentiment, likely leading to a 2% to 8% stock price increase.
Key Financial Performance
Net Revenue $938 million, a record for the company, supported by healthy and broad-based balance sheet growth, especially with $6.1 billion in deposits, and stable net interest margins.
Pre-Provision Net Revenue $394 million, a record for the company, supported by the same factors as net revenue.
Net Interest Income $750 million, grew $53 million or 8% quarter-over-quarter due to solid organic loan growth and higher average earning asset balances.
Noninterest Income $188 million, rose nearly 27% from Q2, driven by firming mortgage banking results as AmeriHome grew revenue $17 million quarter-over-quarter.
Efficiency Ratio Improved almost 3% in the quarter to 57.4%. The adjusted efficiency ratio, excluding ECR deposit cost, dropped below 50%.
Earnings Per Share (EPS) $2.28, supported by improved profitability metrics.
Return on Average Assets 1.13%, reflecting improved profitability.
Return on Average Tangible Common Equity 15.6%, reflecting improved profitability.
CET1 Ratio 11.3%, grew due to organic earnings accumulation and an increase in the loan loss reserve.
Loan Loss Reserve Increased to 78 basis points from 71 basis points in the previous quarter, reflecting a $30 million reserve for a $98 million nonaccrual loan and augmented portfolio qualitative overlays.
Criticized Assets Declined 17% with reductions in 3 of the 4 major subcategories and net charge-offs of 22 basis points.
Net Charge-Offs 22 basis points, reflecting strong asset quality performance.
Allowance for Loan Losses Increased to 85 basis points of funded loans, up from 78 basis points in the prior quarter, due to portfolio composition changes and qualitative overlays.
Tangible Book Value Per Share Increased $2.69 from June 30 to $58.56, driven by organic retained earnings.
Deposits Grew $6.1 billion in Q3, with contributions from various banking segments and products.
Loan Growth $707 million quarterly, with average loan balances up $1.3 billion from Q2, driven by Commercial and Industrial loans and other segments.
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Operating Highlights
Net Revenue and Pre-Provision Net Revenue: Western Alliance generated record net revenue of $938 million and pre-provision net revenue of $394 million in Q3 2025.
Deposit Growth: Deposits grew by $6.1 billion in Q3, contributing to balance sheet growth and reducing borrowings by $2.2 billion.
Efficiency Ratio: The efficiency ratio improved by almost 3% to 57.4%, with the adjusted efficiency ratio dropping below 50%.
Net Interest Income: Net interest income increased by $53 million (8%) quarter-over-quarter, driven by loan growth and higher average earning asset balances.
Noninterest Income: Noninterest income rose by 27% from Q2 to $188 million, supported by firming mortgage banking revenue.
Asset Quality: Criticized assets declined by 17%, and net charge-offs were 22 basis points. The allowance for loan losses increased to 85 basis points.
Fraudulent Loan Issue: The company addressed a $98.5 million fraudulent loan issue with Cantor Group V, taking a $30 million reserve and implementing enhanced monitoring practices.
Capital and Shareholder Value: CET1 capital grew to 11.3%, and tangible book value per share increased to $58.56. The company is evaluating issuing subordinated debt to support share repurchase programs.
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Risk or Challenges
Credit Risk: The company is dealing with a $98.5 million nonaccrual loan to Cantor Group V, which has allegations of fraud and junior lien positions in violation of the credit agreement. A $30 million reserve has been set aside for this loan. Additionally, a $168 million ABL facility to Point Bonita Fund 1 has a low loan-to-value ratio but remains a potential risk.
Operational Risk: The company has initiated a title review of its $2 billion note finance portfolio due to the fraud issue with Cantor Group V. This indicates potential vulnerabilities in onboarding and monitoring practices, which have now been adjusted.
Market and Economic Risk: The company remains asset-sensitive and is exposed to interest rate fluctuations, which could impact net interest income and mortgage banking revenue. Additionally, the macroeconomic environment could affect loan growth and deposit pipelines.
Regulatory and Compliance Risk: The company has allegations of fraud in its portfolio, which could attract regulatory scrutiny and impact its reputation.
Strategic Execution Risk: The company is evaluating issuing subordinated debt and share repurchase programs, which could impact capital levels and shareholder value if not executed effectively.
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Guidance & Outlook
Loan Growth: The company reiterates its loan growth outlook of $5 billion for 2025.
Deposit Growth: Year-end deposit growth expectations have been raised to $8.5 billion.
Net Interest Income: Net interest income is on track for 8% to 10% growth, leading to a mid-3.5% net interest margin for the full year.
Noninterest Income: Noninterest income is expected to exceed targets and finish the year up 12% to 16%.
Noninterest Expense: Noninterest expense is projected to increase by 2.5% to 4% for the year. ECR-related deposit costs are expected to be between $140 million and $150 million in Q4, totaling slightly above $600 million for the full year. Operating expenses, excluding ECR costs, are forecasted to be $1.465 billion to $1.505 billion for the full year.
Asset Quality: Asset quality is expected to perform as anticipated, with full-year net charge-offs in the 20 basis point range.
Tax Rate: The fourth quarter effective tax rate is forecasted to be about 20%.
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Shareholder Return Plan
Dividend Program: No specific mention of a dividend program or changes to dividend payouts was made during the call.
Share Buyback Program: The company has initiated a $300 million share buyback program in September. As of October 17, $25 million worth of shares have been repurchased. The company is also evaluating the issuance of subordinated debt to augment the share repurchase program, which is expected to be accretive to EPS.
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Key Q&A
Q:Are you comfortable with your current level of reserves for NDFI exposure, or do you foresee any pressure to increase them?
A:The management feels comfortable with their asset quality and current level of reserves. They do not foresee a large increase in reserves but will continue to review factors like the macroeconomic environment, interest rates, and portfolio composition as part of their CECL review process.
Q:What are your expectations for ECR deposit beta and mortgage revenue?
A:The loaded beta for ECR deposits is expected to be around 70%. Mortgage-related income rose significantly to $95 million, a 21% increase from the previous quarter, driven by a decline in the 30-year mortgage rate. Management anticipates seasonal reductions in Q4 mortgage revenue but remains optimistic about 2026.
Q:Can you provide details on the $300 million stock buyback program?
A:The company authorized a $300 million stock buyback, with $25 million executed before the call. Management is considering accelerating the buyback, supported by a subordinated debt deal at the bank. They aim to maintain a CET1 ratio of around 11%.
Q:What are the biases within the guidance ranges for NII, fees, and expenses?
A:Management expects fee income to remain strong into Q4, with some bolstering of incentive accruals for bonuses. FDIC costs are expected to stabilize after a rebate benefit in Q3. They anticipate earnings growth of 17%-19% for 2025.
Q:What are your expectations for seasonal deposit flows in Q4?
A:Seasonal deposit outflows are expected in Q4, particularly from ECR balances related to the mortgage cycle. However, these balances are expected to stabilize going into 2026.
Q:Did you experience any direct securities and loan sales to banks in Q3, and should we expect this in Q4?
A:There was less volatility in Q3, and the company benefited from holding securities until later in the quarter. Management does not expect similar gains in Q4 and anticipates a seasonal decline in mortgage revenues.
Q:What drove the reduction in classified loans, and were there any upgrades or downgrades?
A:The reduction in classified loans was driven by the sale of an OREO property, resolution of credits with borrowers providing incremental margin, and upgrades in loan ratings. The Cantor loan remains in the nonaccrual substandard category.
Q:What is driving growth in corporate trust deposits, and can this momentum continue?
A:Growth in corporate trust deposits is driven by market share gains, particularly in CLOs. The company has become the seventh-largest CLO trust depository globally in just two years. Management expects strong growth in 2026.
Q:Is the current loan-to-deposit ratio at the right level?
A:Management believes the loan-to-deposit ratio, currently in the mid-70% range, is too low. They aim to increase it by finding safe, sound loans with thoughtful credit underwriting.
Q:What is the outlook for OREO properties and their impact on revenue?
A:OREO properties are generating marginally profitable rental income. Management aims to lease up and sell these properties to maximize value, with some sales expected in 2024.
Q:What is your comfort level with NDFI exposure, and are there risks of one-offs?
A:Management is comfortable with NDFI exposure, particularly in mortgage-related and MSR-related loans, which have low loss rates. They also feel confident in private credit lending due to strong underwriting and alignment with private credit funds.
Q:Could you accelerate stock buybacks given the current CET1 ratio?
A:Yes, management may accelerate stock buybacks, potentially reducing the CET1 ratio from 11.3% to 11%.
Q:What are your expectations for mortgage revenue in Q4 and 2026?
A:Q4 mortgage revenue is expected to decline slightly due to seasonal factors, but management is optimistic about a 10% growth in mortgage activity in 2026, driven by lower rates.
Q:What internal controls failed in the Cantor relationship, and what actions are being taken?
A:The Cantor relationship involved undisclosed material facts by the borrower, leading to a lawsuit. Management is working to appoint a receiver to gain greater insight into the borrower's books and records.
Q:Are there any balance sheet size limitations as you approach $100 billion?
A:Management does not see balance sheet size as a limitation and continues to invest in infrastructure to be LFI-ready. They are also monitoring potential regulatory changes that could raise the threshold to $250 billion.
Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses
A:Management avoided directly addressing the question about whether they are reviewing the loan portfolio and credit procedures more broadly beyond note finance and NDFIs, despite investor concerns about credit quality.
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