Telesat Corporation (TSAT) Q4 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Overview

The earnings call highlights several negative factors: a significant net loss increase, declining EBITDA margin, and deferred capital expenditures. The Q&A section reveals ongoing uncertainties, such as the unresolved Canadian Armed Forces deal and lack of clarity on Lightspeed's financials. Despite some positive aspects like global defense opportunities for Ka-band and satellite launches, the overall sentiment is negative due to financial underperformance and management's lack of transparency on key issues.

Key Financial Performance

Revenue for 2025 $418 million, a year-over-year decline due to reduced revenue in the GEO business and other factors.

Adjusted EBITDA for 2025 $213 million, above guidance of $170 million to $190 million, due to higher-than-anticipated capitalized labor, lower-than-expected headcount increases, and lower operating expenses in the GEO business.

Interest Expense for 2025 $218 million, down from $240 million in 2024 and $270 million in 2023, reflecting a buyback of $857 million of Telesat Canada debt.

Net Loss for 2025 $530 million, compared to $302 million in 2024, primarily due to reduced revenue, goodwill impairment in the GEO business, and an increase in derivative liability related to Lightspeed financing.

EBITDA from GEO Business for 2025 $284 million, or $370 million excluding $33 million in equity distribution and debt refinancing costs, with a margin of 77%, down from 80% in 2024.

LEO Loss Before Interest, Tax, Depreciation, and Amortization for 2025 $67 million, driven by $72 million in operating expenses, slightly below guidance of $75 million to $85 million due to higher capitalized labor and slower hiring.

Capital Expenditure for 2025 $708 million, below guidance of $900 million to $1.1 billion, due to milestone payments to MDA being deferred to 2026.

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Operating Highlights

Lightspeed Network Development: Significant progress on the development of the network, satellites, software platforms, user terminals, and landing stations. First satellites scheduled to launch at the end of 2026, with full global commercial service expected by Q1 2028.

Mil-Ka Spectrum Addition: 500 MHz of Mil-Ka spectrum added to the initial 156 Lightspeed satellites to meet defense requirements, with a cost impact of $25 million.

Government and Defense Market: Strong opportunities in the government and defense sector, driven by increased global defense investments. Telesat Government Solutions received an IDIQ contract under the U.S. Shield program and signed an MOU with Hanwha Systems in Korea.

Commercial Airline Connectivity: Substantial agreement with Viasat to use Lightspeed for broadband services to commercial airlines and business jets.

Cost Optimization in GEO Business: Optimized cost structure to maximize cash flow despite structural challenges in the GEO business.

Debt Refinancing: Focus on refinancing $1.7 billion of Telesat Canada debt maturing in December 2026.

Focus on Defense Requirements: Optimizing Lightspeed for defense by adding Mil-Ka spectrum, enhancing capabilities for Allied defense users.

Revenue Backlog Expansion: Efforts to expand Lightspeed's revenue backlog ahead of its global commercial availability.

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Risk or Challenges

Structural challenges in GEO business: The GEO business faces structural challenges, including ongoing revenue decline and constraints of a fixed-cost business model. Efforts to optimize cost structures are in place, but the challenges persist.

Delay in Lightspeed project: The Lightspeed project is delayed by three months due to readiness issues with the ASIC chips powering the onboard processor and phased array antennas. This delay impacts the timeline for entering full global commercial service.

Dependency on third-party suppliers: The readiness of ASIC chips, developed by SatixFy (acquired by MDA), is a key schedule risk for the Lightspeed program. Although assurances have been provided, dependency on external suppliers poses a risk.

Declining GEO revenue: Revenue from the GEO business is expected to decline significantly in 2026, with a projected drop of $90 million to $110 million compared to 2025. This decline is attributed to reduced usage of satellites by key customers and the expiration of major contracts.

Debt refinancing risk: The company faces the challenge of refinancing $1.7 billion of Telesat Canada debt, which matures in December 2026. This is a critical financial risk that requires resolution to maintain liquidity.

Increased competition in LEO market: The competitive landscape in the LEO market is intensifying, with significant progress by competitors like Starlink. This adds pressure on Telesat to secure market share and revenue.

Cost impact of Mil-Ka spectrum addition: The addition of Mil-Ka spectrum to the Lightspeed satellites incurs a cost of $25 million, which, while modest, adds to the overall program cost.

Revenue dependency on government contracts: A significant portion of future revenue is tied to government and defense contracts, which are subject to geopolitical and budgetary uncertainties.

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Guidance & Outlook

Lightspeed Launch and Service Timeline: The first satellites for the Lightspeed project are scheduled to launch at the end of 2026, with a heavy launch cadence planned throughout 2027. Full global commercial service is now expected around the end of Q1 2028, delayed by approximately three months due to chip readiness issues.

Market Dynamics and Opportunities for Lightspeed: Global market dynamics are evolving favorably for Lightspeed, with a transition across verticals toward LEO satellites. Significant opportunities are identified in broadband for commercial airlines and the government defense market, driven by increasing demand for high-throughput, low-latency satellite connectivity.

Government and Defense Market Focus: Telesat is optimistic about the government and defense market, citing increased defense investments globally and specific opportunities in Canada, the U.S., the EU, Germany, Italy, and South Korea. The company is enhancing Lightspeed for defense requirements by adding military Ka spectrum to its satellites.

Financial Guidance for 2026: Revenue for the GEO segment is expected to decline to $300-$320 million, with adjusted EBITDA projected at $210-$220 million. The LEO segment anticipates spending $1 billion to $1.2 billion on Lightspeed, including operating costs, capitalized labor, and capital expenditures.

Cash and Liquidity Position: The GEO business segment is expected to generate sufficient cash flow to meet obligations prior to debt maturities in December 2026. The LEO segment has adequate funding to fully finance the Lightspeed project until global commercial service is achieved.

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Shareholder Return Plan

Interest Expense Reduction: Interest expense for 2025 totaled $218 million, down from $240 million in 2024 and $270 million in 2023, reflecting our buyback of USD 857 million of Telesat Canada debt.

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Key Q&A

Q:What is the status of the deal with the Canadian Armed Forces regarding the military Ka-band spectrum?

A:The deal with the Canadian Armed Forces is still under negotiation. Telesat and MDA are working with the government of Canada to finalize the contract, which is expected to be completed before the end of the year. Details about the constellation cannot be disclosed yet as negotiations are ongoing.

Q:Can the military Ka-band capacity be sold to other defense departments globally?

A:Yes, the military Ka-band capacity can be sold to other defense departments globally, including NATO and allied governments. The capacity brought by Lightspeed is significantly higher and offers better performance characteristics such as high throughput, low latency, and resilience, making it attractive for defense applications.

Q:Is there a possibility of offering another constellation running on X and UHF bands?

A:It is premature to say. Telesat is focused on current negotiations with the government of Canada and will provide updates as discussions progress.

Q:What is the expected EBITDA loss for Lightspeed in 2026?

A:The total expenditures for Lightspeed, including CapEx and OpEx, are estimated at $777 million. The OpEx component is expected to be between $90 million and $110 million, depending on labor capitalization. Specific EBITDA figures for Lightspeed are not provided due to variability in labor capitalization.

Q:How many satellites are expected to be launched by the end of 2027?

A:By the end of 2027, Telesat expects to have at least 96 satellites in orbit, which is sufficient for full global commercial coverage. The first two satellites will be launched by the end of this year, followed by extensive testing and a heavy launch schedule starting mid-next year.

Q:Will the Mil-Ka user terminals be available at the same time as the commercial ones?

A:Yes, Mil-Ka compatible user terminals for various platforms (e.g., ships, planes, drones) will be available when Lightspeed goes into service. The terminals can accommodate Mil-Ka due to its adjacency to commercial Ka-band, and both flat panel and parabolic antennas will be offered.

Q:What is the potential backlog impact from the Canadian Arctic military communication constellation?

A:The potential backlog impact from the Canadian Arctic military communication constellation (ESCaPE) is not specified as the contract negotiation with the government of Canada is still ongoing. However, Telesat expects significant growth in Lightspeed's backlog this year, driven by defense and sovereignty applications.

Q:Why was Telesat able to add military Ka-band spectrum to Lightspeed despite earlier statements about spectrum limitations?

A:The military Ka-band spectrum is contiguous with the commercial Ka-band spectrum, allowing for a straightforward modification to the frequency plan. This is different from adding spectrum for direct-to-device applications, which would require a different payload and significant satellite changes.

Q:Has Telesat found it easier to engage with customers due to Amazon's slower rollout of its satellite constellation?

A:Telesat's increased customer engagement is attributed to its progress toward service readiness and growing demand for LEO capabilities, particularly in defense and government sectors. The geopolitical environment and the demonstrated importance of LEO constellations in modern conflicts have also driven demand. Amazon's rollout delays are not seen as a significant factor.

Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses

A:Management avoided providing direct answers or sufficient details on the following: 1. The potential backlog impact and additional spending required for the Canadian Arctic military communication constellation (ESCaPE). 2. The possibility of offering another constellation running on X and UHF bands. 3. Specific EBITDA figures for Lightspeed in 2026, citing variability in labor capitalization as a reason for not providing details.

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