Sandstorm Gold Ltd. (SAND) Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript
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Overview
The earnings call presents a mixed sentiment. Financial performance is strong with increased revenue and margins, but production challenges and legacy debt concerns persist. The share buyback and dividend payments are positive, yet uncertainties in project execution and regulatory pressures in Argentina weigh negatively. The Q&A shows management's cautious approach towards risk and capital allocation, with no significant new partnerships or guidance changes. Given the company's market cap, the stock price is likely to remain stable, resulting in a neutral prediction (-2% to 2%) over the next two weeks.
Key Financial Performance
Revenue $44.7 million, an increase from $37.5 million in Q3 2023, driven by higher prices for gold, silver, and copper.
Cash Operating Margins $2,215 per ounce, a record for the second consecutive quarter, due to higher commodity prices.
Cash Flow from Operating Activities $37 million, up from $33.9 million in Q3 2023, attributed to increased revenues.
Net Income $5.8 million, compared to close to nil in Q3 2023, driven by higher revenues and lower depletion expenses.
Debt Repayment $9 million in Q3, with an additional $10 million repaid in Q4, reducing total debt to $369 million.
Gold Equivalent Ounces Produced Approximately 17,400 ounces, lower than anticipated due to higher gold prices affecting the conversion from other metals.
Average Realized Gold Price $2,520 per ounce, significantly higher than the budgeted $1,800 per ounce.
Share Buybacks $5.2 million at an average price of $5.50 per share, below the current share price.
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Operating Highlights
Platreef Project: The Platreef project is expected to produce approximately 400,000 ounces per year once Phase 2 is operational, potentially increasing to over twice that amount in PGMs and gold when Phase 3 is active.
Greenstone Mine: Equinox declared commercial production at Greenstone, with recent throughput averaging over 20,000 tons per day, which is 76% of design capacity.
MARA Project: MARA is expected to contribute between 20,000 to 30,000 ounces per year, with a significant estimated mine life of close to 30 years.
Hod Maden Project: Hod Maden is progressing, with SSR spending $10 million on it during the quarter.
Market Positioning: Sandstorm anticipates production to reach approximately 125,000 attributable ounces within the next five years based solely on existing streams and royalties.
Debt Repayment: Debt repayment is accelerating, with $10 million repaid in the first five weeks of Q4, reducing total debt to $369 million.
Operational Efficiency: Record cash operating margins of $2,215 per ounce were achieved, supported by higher prices for gold, silver, and copper.
Production Guidance: Updated guidance for 2024 is between 70,000 - 75,000 gold equivalent ounces, with expectations to reach 80,000 ounces next year.
Capital Allocation Plans: Focus on debt repayment and share buybacks, with no material capital allocated to new transactions in the next year.
Share Repurchase Strategy: $5.2 million of shares were repurchased at an average price of $5.50 per share, which is below the current share price.
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Risk or Challenges
Production Challenges: Slower ramp-up at Greenstone mine, which is a significant asset, affecting gold equivalent ounces production.
Commodity Price Fluctuations: Higher than budgeted gold prices ($2,520 per ounce vs. $1,800 budgeted) leading to fewer gold equivalent ounces from copper and silver streams.
Regulatory Environment: New investment regime in Argentina requires projects to start by July 2026 to benefit from tax advantages, putting pressure on companies like Glencore to advance the MARA project.
Debt Management: Legacy debt perception remains a concern, although debt is decreasing. Current debt stands at $369 million.
Market Perception: Investor concerns regarding the timing and understanding of key development projects (Platreef, MARA, Hod Maden) affecting stock valuation.
Operational Risks: Potential delays in Hod Maden project due to previous setbacks with SSR Mining.
Shareholder Sentiment: Concerns about potential equity offerings affecting market confidence.
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Guidance & Outlook
Key Development Assets: Sandstorm is focusing on key development assets including Greenstone, Platreef, MARA, and Hod Maden, which are expected to significantly contribute to future production.
Production Growth: Over the next five years, Sandstorm anticipates production to increase materially, reaching approximately 155,000 ounces per annum.
Debt Repayment: The company is prioritizing debt repayment, with an expectation of accelerating repayment rates in 2025.
Share Buybacks: Sandstorm plans to continue share buybacks, having repurchased $5.2 million worth of shares in Q3 2024.
Capital Allocation: Post-dividend, the main focus for capital allocation is on debt repayment, with minimal capital allocated to new transactions.
2024 Production Guidance: Sandstorm has updated its production guidance for 2024 to between 70,000 and 75,000 gold equivalent ounces.
Future Production Expectations: For 2025, Sandstorm expects production to be closer to 80,000 ounces, driven by the ramp-up of Greenstone and full-year contributions from the Arizona royalty.
Long-term Cash Flow Projections: At $2,800 gold, Sandstorm's cash flow could reach nearly $300 million per year, and at $2,300 gold, it would be approximately $250 million.
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Shareholder Return Plan
Dividend Payment: The company prioritizes paying dividends each quarter.
Share Buyback Program: In Q3, Sandstorm bought back $5.2 million of its shares at an average price of $5.50 per share, which is below the current share price.
Share Cancellation: The shares bought back were canceled, reducing the total number of shares outstanding.
Future Share Buybacks: The company plans to continue share buybacks as part of its capital allocation strategy.
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Key Q&A
Q:What can the analyst community do to address the material investing knowledge gap in the market?
A:We can speak about them more often, provide clarity on stages, and create more materials for investors, including videos and presentations. We plan to hold an investor day in 2025 to help people understand these concepts better.
Q:Has the election win in the U.S. changed your internal willingness to take risks or your internal hurdle and discount rates?
A:In the short term, no. We don't plan on making material deals in the next year or two, focusing instead on paying down debt and buying back shares.
Q:How will Sandstorm balance capital allocation between debt reduction and share repurchases?
A:Falling interest rates do affect us, but we want to use most cash flows for debt reduction. Last quarter, we bought back $5 million in shares and paid back $9 million in debt. I expect debt reduction to accelerate to close to $30 million a quarter.
Q:Are you looking at any transactions within $100 million?
A:We are always looking at what's out there, but our objective is debt reduction first, share buyback second. We don't see anything that would change that plan.
Q:What is the status of the Entrée arbitration and its impact on Sandstorm?
A:Entrée is continuing arbitration with Rio regarding license transfers. This will not impact Sandstorm's expected cash flows, and recent drill results from Entrée are promising.
Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses
A:Management appeared to avoid giving a direct answer regarding the specifics of how they plan to balance capital allocation between debt reduction and share repurchases, as well as the details on potential transactions within the $100 million range.
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