PLDT Inc. (PHI) Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript
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Overview
The earnings call presents a mixed picture. Financial performance shows some positive aspects, like EBITDA growth and Maya's profitability, but core income decline and lack of net income guidance are concerning. The Q&A highlights uncertainties in mobile segment and reluctance to disclose certain financial metrics. While there are positive developments in 5G and enterprise solutions, the absence of net income guidance and ongoing challenges in mobile revenue temper enthusiasm. The market's reaction is likely to be neutral, as positives are balanced by uncertainties and lack of guidance.
Key Financial Performance
Revenue PHP 53.4 billion, up 2% year-on-year, driven by strength in fiber and ICT segments, coupled with prudent cost management.
EBITDA PHP 27.9 billion, up 2% year-on-year, demonstrating ongoing cost management while maintaining a resilient revenue base.
Telco Core Income PHP 8.8 billion, down 6% year-on-year, reflecting increased depreciation linked to strategic investments in network infrastructure and related financing costs.
Core Income PHP 8.8 billion, steady year-on-year, supported by Maya's positive contribution as it turned profitable this quarter.
Home Revenue PHP 15.2 billion, up 4% year-on-year, driven by continued fiber demand, with fiber now accounting for 97% of Home revenues, up from 92% in 2024.
Enterprise Revenue PHP 11.9 billion, steady year-on-year, with a slight 1% uptick in corporate data and ICT revenues, and ICT growing 16% year-on-year to PHP 2.2 billion.
Mobile Revenue PHP 21.3 billion, down slightly by 1% year-on-year, due to lower packet Wi-Fi usage as customers shifted to smartphones or fixed data access.
CapEx PHP 10.8 billion, lower compared to last year, resulting in a reduced CapEx intensity of 20%, partly due to timing of project completions.
Net Debt PHP 270.7 billion, with a net debt-to-EBITDA ratio of 2.48x, slightly improved from 2.52x at the end of 2024.
Maya Net Income PHP 127 million, marking its first profitable quarter, driven by robust loan growth, strong momentum in deposits, and increased payment volume.
Consumer Deposits (Maya) PHP 44 billion, representing a 49% year-on-year increase, indicating user trust and consistent engagement.
Loans Disbursed (Maya) PHP 28 billion in Q1 2025, bringing total disbursed since inception to PHP 120 billion.
NPL Ratio (Maya) 3.8%, below both digital banking and broader industry averages, indicating solid loan book quality.
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Operating Highlights
Maya's Performance: Maya achieved positive net income, marking its first full profitable quarter, with 6.8 million bank customers (up 88% year-on-year) and PHP 44 billion in total deposits (49% year-on-year increase).
VITRO Santa Rosa Data Center: PLDT inaugurated the Philippines' first AI-ready hyperscale data center, VITRO Santa Rosa, with 50 megawatts of power capacity, enhancing digital infrastructure.
Asia Direct Cable Launch: PLDT launched the Asia Direct Cable, a 9,400 km subsea cable with 27 terabits per second capacity, enhancing international connectivity and positioning PLDT as a market leader.
Operational Efficiency: PLDT's EBITDA increased by 2% to PHP 27.9 billion, with OpEx declining by PHP 300 million to PHP 86.1 billion, demonstrating effective cost management.
Strategic Focus on Digital Transformation: PLDT is focusing on innovation and digital leadership through investments in VITRO and Maya, aiming to capture long-term value in the fintech and data center sectors.
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Risk or Challenges
Competitive Pressures: PLDT is navigating a transitional phase in its connectivity business, facing challenges from customers shifting away from packet Wi-Fi to smartphone-based data usage, which has impacted mobile revenues.
Regulatory Issues: PLDT emphasizes the importance of complying with environmental regulations as part of its sustainability initiatives, particularly in relation to biodiversity policies.
Supply Chain Challenges: The company is committed to strengthening negotiations with contractors and suppliers to improve capital efficiency amid ongoing project completions.
Economic Factors: Increased depreciation linked to strategic investments in network infrastructure and related financing costs have negatively impacted core income.
Debt Management: PLDT's net debt stands at PHP 270.7 billion, with a net debt-to-EBITDA ratio of 2.48x, indicating a need for continued focus on reducing leverage.
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Guidance & Outlook
CapEx Guidance: CapEx for 2025 is adjusted slightly to PHP 68 to PHP 70 billion to improve quality of service.
Debt Management: Targeting a net debt-to-EBITDA ratio of around 2.0x over the medium term.
Maya's Growth: Maya achieved positive net income, marking its first full profitable quarter, with significant growth in deposits and loans.
VITRO Santa Rosa: Inaugurated a state-of-the-art AI-ready hyperscale data center, enhancing PLDT's digital infrastructure.
Asia Direct Cable: Launched a new subsea cable enhancing international connectivity with a capacity of 27 terabits per second.
Revenue Growth Outlook: PLDT aims for steady revenue growth driven by mobile data, fiber, corporate data, and ICT.
EBITDA Margin: EBITDA margin remains strong at 52%.
Core Income: Core income is expected to stabilize, supported by Maya's contributions.
5G Adoption: Expect increased 5G adoption to stabilize revenues and drive future growth.
Operational Discipline: Continued focus on disciplined expense management and asset monetization.
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Shareholder Return Plan
Share Buyback Program: None
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Key Q&A
Q:Is this all done? Or do you still see further downturn from this segment?
A:We should still see some drag maybe until about Q3.
Q:Can you provide color on the take-up levels for the new capacities? Have you actually signed anchor tenants for this?
A:We've actually landed a big hyperscale customer of ours that's already availing of 4 megawatts of capacity.
Q:Where do you see the profit momentum as trending for the balance of the year?
A:I don't think you should expect a hockey stick growth, but a more sort of steady and gradual margin improvement over time.
Q:Are you seeing similar trends in mobile improvements in the second quarter?
A:We see that market has softened, but we continue to grow traffic year-on-year.
Q:What is the rate of water usage for VITRO Santa Rosa?
A:The water utilization level is still at normal levels, similar to other data centers.
Q:Can you share interest income on loans as well as your cost of funds?
A:I think we'll be limited in terms of exact disclosure of the numbers to some extent.
Q:Do you have a target loan-to-deposit ratio?
A:We don't have a specific target loan-to-deposit ratio.
Q:Do you anticipate this subscriber growth continuing at this pace for the rest of 2025?
A:Yes, we do anticipate the growth to sustain.
Q:How sustainable are these churn trends at current levels?
A:We have seen, our growth has been driven not just by increasing our gross adds and net adds, but also by better managing our churn.
Q:How is your 5G monetization strategy progressing?
A:Our focus is still on 5G and building a meaningful and dense 5G coverage.
Q:Can we expect depreciation and financing costs to continue increasing at similar levels?
A:It's going to be almost on the current level.
Q:How is this expected to enhance your competitive advantage?
A:Direct cable is a big part of our competitive advantage.
Q:Is there guidance for 2025 net income?
A:Given the softness of the numbers in the first quarter, I think we're unable to provide guidance at this point.
Q:What is the latest on plans to increase PLDP stake in Maya?
A:If and when we invest more in Maya, you might need the help of other affiliates of the First Pacific.
Q:What specific strategies and timelines are in place to improve working capital efficiency?
A:Our main focus now is asset monetization.
Q:Are you seeing an intensification of competition?
A:The softness I've answered, but we don't see the same trend.
Q:Can you comment on the potential enterprise revenue uplift once BSR is fully operational?
A:We are looking at other hyperscale customers and enterprise customers to come in and fill up the rest of the space.
Q:Is there further room to significantly reduce OpEx?
A:We are nearing optimal levels at this point.
Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses
A:Management appeared to avoid giving a direct answer regarding the specific interest income on loans, cost of funds, and the loan-to-deposit ratio, indicating limitations in disclosure and a lack of a specific target.
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