Pampa Energia S.A. (PAM) Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript
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Overview
The earnings call presents mixed signals: strong EBITDA growth and improved cash position are positive, but increased debt and lifting costs are concerns. The Q&A reveals uncertainty around regulatory impacts and future projects, with management providing unclear responses. These factors, combined with a lack of significant new guidance or partnerships, suggest a neutral outlook for the stock price over the next two weeks.
Key Financial Performance
Adjusted EBITDA Q4 2024 $182 million, up 60% year-on-year, driven by increased gas deliveries from thermal power generation and improved PPA performance.
Adjusted EBITDA Power Segment Q4 2024 $86 million, up 7% year-on-year, mainly explained by contributions from PEPE 6 and recovering legacy spot prices, partially offset by higher operating expenses.
Free Cash Flow Q4 2024 $82 million, supported by working capital inflows from winter receivables, the highest revenue making period of the year.
CapEx Q4 2024 $154 million, 20% lower year-on-year, mainly due to the shale gas ramp-up in 2023, partially offset by final payments for PEPE 6 and ongoing development in Rincon de Aranda.
Gross Debt $2 billion, up 44% year-on-year due to bond issuances for $770 million, which funded the repurchase of 2027 notes.
Net Debt $410 million, down 33% year-on-year, the lowest since 2016, mainly due to strong cash flow inflow from power generation and gas operations.
Cash Position $1.3 billion, more than 50% higher than last year's $834 million, after the bond repurchase.
Total Proven Reserves 231 million barrels of oil equivalent, up 16% year-on-year, driven by increased activity in Sierra Chata and El Mangrullo.
Lifting Cost per boe $8.7 per boe, up 29% year-on-year, influenced by the beginning of Rincon de Aranda's development and program overhauls.
Average Gas Price Q4 2024 $2.9 per MBTU, down 10% year-on-year due to lower exports to Chile and sales to industries, partially offset by better retail prices.
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Operating Highlights
New Product Launch: Commissioned PEPE 6 Wind Farm, adding 140 megawatts of clean energy.
Rincon de Aranda Development: Development of Rincon de Aranda, a flagship shale oil project, expected to diversify output into shale oil.
Market Positioning: Pampa Energia is one of the country's leading gas producers, achieving a new all-time high in output.
Market Expansion: Plans to ramp up production at Rincon de Aranda, targeting 20,000 barrels per day by December.
Operational Efficiency: Achieved 95% availability rate in the Power segment.
Financial Efficiency: Net debt fell to $410 million, the lowest since 2016.
Strategic Shift: Focus on operational excellence and diversification into shale oil.
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Risk or Challenges
General Economic Conditions: Risks related to general economic and industry conditions that could affect future results, potentially causing them to differ materially from forward-looking statements.
Operating Factors: Uncertainties and assumptions related to operating factors that may impact the company's performance.
Competitive Pressures: Challenges from competitive pressures in the energy sector, particularly in gas and power generation.
Regulatory Issues: Potential regulatory challenges that could affect operations and profitability.
Supply Chain Challenges: Risks associated with supply chain disruptions that could impact production and operational efficiency.
Economic Factors: Economic factors, including currency fluctuations and inflation, that could affect costs and revenues.
Higher Operating Costs: Increased operating costs due to various factors, including the development of new projects and inflation.
Lower Exports: Impact of lower exports to Chile and reduced sales to industries affecting revenue.
Debt Levels: Concerns regarding gross debt levels, which increased by 44% year-on-year, although net debt has decreased.
Cash Flow Volatility: Potential volatility in cash flow due to seasonal variations in energy demand and pricing.
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Guidance & Outlook
Rincon de Aranda Development: Pampa Energia is advancing with the development of Rincon de Aranda, their flagship shale oil project, with plans to reach a production plateau of 20,000 barrels per day by December 2025.
PEPE 6 Wind Farm: Commissioned PEPE 6 Wind Farm, adding 140 megawatts of clean energy, contributing to a nearly 50% growth in the power segment since 2017.
Debt Management: Issued a $360 million international bond to improve debt profile, resulting in a net debt reduction to $410 million, the lowest since 2016.
2025 Production Goals: Plan to connect two pads in Rincon de Aranda by May 2025, targeting 8,000 barrels per day, and reach 20,000 barrels per day by December 2025.
CapEx for 2025: CapEx for 2025 will focus on maintenance and development of Rincon de Aranda, with total CapEx for Q4 2024 reported at $154 million.
EBITDA Expectations: Adjusted EBITDA for Q4 2024 was $182 million, with expectations for continued growth driven by gas deliveries and power generation.
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Shareholder Return Plan
Share Repurchase Program: In December we issued a $360 million international bond maturing in 2034 to improve our debt profile, redeeming the remaining on 2027 notes at par.
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Key Q&A
Q:How do you expect regulatory changes introduced by the Secretary of Energy to impact Pampa, particularly regarding the ability for generators to self-procure the fuel? What impact do you anticipate for both E&P and power generation segments?
A:It is too early to tell what the regulatory authority has issued; they are guidelines for participants to comment on. Definitive changes are expected to be implemented by November 2025. We do not expect significant impacts in the next quarter.
Q:With growth plans that include investments in Rincon de Aranda, Vaca Muerta Sur, the LNG project, and potentially our urea plant, how do you expect leverage to evolve?
A:We expect a marginal increase in net indebtedness due to significant CapEx in Rincon de Aranda, growing from 0.6 to about 1.2 times net debt. We will return to significant free cash flow generation by 2027.
Q:What is the plan if Rincon de Aranda if brand prices go to $60, $65 per barrel?
A:We are hedged for approximately 65% of production for 2025, so we do not foresee major changes in our investment plan.
Q:Can you talk about the appetite sensitivity to sustaining, accelerating or decelerating CapEx for Rincon de Aranda?
A:We will not be accelerating or decelerating the rhythm of investment during the next year or even 2026.
Q:What are the management expectations regarding further resolutions allowing generators to sign new PPAs? Is Pampa analyzing potential investments in greenfield power generation assets?
A:We are not currently analyzing any new investment in power generation. We are studying a battery package investment but have not made a decision.
Q:Could you provide more color on the increase in lifting costs during the last quarter of 2024?
A:The increase is due to reduced production with the same fixed costs, not a decrease in competitiveness.
Q:What is the outlook of gas exports to Chile and Brazil in 2025 regarding capacity and pricing?
A:We expect to ramp up exports to Chile and potentially export to Brazil, but transportation costs and competitiveness remain uncertain.
Q:What is the FID on the urea plant? What's the timeline?
A:We expect to make a decision by year-end, with a production plan of 2 million tons per year and an estimated cost of $2 billion to $2.5 billion.
Q:How much do you expect Rincon de Aranda to contribute to total EBITDA in 2025?
A:Our estimate for Rincon de Aranda is around $180 million for 2025.
Q:What happened with the margins in oil and gas this quarter? Is it something that will recur during the year?
A:The lower margins are due to seasonality and lower volumes.
Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses
A:Management appeared to avoid giving a direct answer regarding the specifics of the regulatory changes and their potential impacts, stating it is too early to tell. Additionally, there was a lack of clarity on the exact timeline and details regarding the LNG project and the urea plant's FID.
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