Orion S.A. (OEC) Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Overview

Basic Financial Performance: 2 - Despite some improvements, negative free cash flow and fraud incident impact are concerning. Product Development and Business Update: 3 - Specialty business is improving, but Rubber segment faces challenges. Market Strategy: 2 - Elevated tire imports and unclear responses on tariffs create uncertainty. Expenses and Financial Health: 2 - High net debt leverage and negative free cash flow are red flags. Shareholder Return Plan: 3 - Modest buyback activity is positive but limited. Overall, the negative cash flow and market uncertainties suggest a negative stock price movement.

Key Financial Performance

Adjusted EBITDA $80 million, a 4% increase year-over-year and a 7% sequential improvement. The growth was attributed to improved costs and productivity, along with contractual pricing, despite an overall volume decline.

Gross Profit per ton (Rubber segment) Improved by 11% year-over-year and 4% sequentially, driven by better absorption and favorable pricing from 2024 contractual agreements.

Adjusted Net Income Increased by 12% sequentially, attributed to a more favorable tax rate related to jurisdictional mix.

Diluted EPS Increased by 14% sequentially, outpacing adjusted EBITDA improvement due to favorable tax rate.

Rubber segment EBITDA Increased by 3% year-over-year and 12% sequentially, despite an 11% decline in volumes year-over-year, due to improved profitability metrics.

Adjusted EBITDA per ton (Rubber segment) Increased nearly 16% year-over-year and sequentially, attributed to better absorption and reduced downtime.

Free Cash Flow Expected to be negative $35 million for 2024, with adjustments for the fraud event potentially leading to a range of negative $75 million to $80 million.

Net Debt Leverage Ratio Concluded Q3 at 3 times on a trailing 12-month basis, expected to be closer to 2.8 times by year-end 2024.

Capital Expenditures (CapEx) Expected to be $200 million for the year, with a projected decline of about $30 million in 2025.

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Operating Highlights

Specialty Segment Capacity Improvement: Debottlenecking efforts related to some coatings grades are largely complete, which should translate to positive results in 2025.

Huaibei Plant Contribution: The Huaibei plant is expected to positively contribute to earnings in 2025.

Tire Import Dynamics: Imported tires have increased to over 60% of total tire units sold in North America, impacting domestic demand.

Antidumping Duties: The Department of Commerce is recommending antidumping duties on truck tires imported from Thailand, which could support domestic market conditions.

Truck and Bus Segment Recovery: The freight industry is showing signs of recovery, which may positively impact the truck and bus tire segment.

Operational Efficiency: Improved costs and productivity contributed to the adjusted EBITDA growth despite lower volumes.

Maintenance Investments: Investments in maintenance and reliability are expected to enhance supply chain resilience and customer mandates.

Capital Expenditure Reduction: CapEx is expected to decrease by $30 million in 2025, focusing on maintenance projects.

Shareholder Returns: Excess capital is anticipated to be returned to shareholders, with $11 million worth of stock bought back this quarter.

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Risk or Challenges

Rubber Segment Demand: The single biggest challenge is the lower demand in the Rubber segment, particularly in the Americas and EMEA, with an 11% decline in volumes compared to the previous year, equating to an EBITDA drag of $8 million to $10 million.

Economic Conditions: The industrial economy has softened, and customers have indicated a weaker month of December, leading to adjustments in guidance.

Tire Imports: Elevated tire imports are affecting the business, with imports comprising over 60% of total tire units sold in North America, which is higher than historical levels.

Regulatory Issues: Potential antidumping duties on truck tires imported from Thailand could impact trade flows and market dynamics.

Supply Chain Challenges: The carbon black supply chain is regional, and the effective capacity has been reduced due to structural factors, including air emission controls, leading to more industry downtime.

Fraud Incident: A fraud incident early in the quarter has impacted cash flow and balance sheet metrics, although no cyber intrusion was found.

Free Cash Flow: Free cash flow is expected to be negative $35 million for 2024, with adjustments for the fraud incident potentially increasing this to negative $75 million to $80 million.

Capital Expenditure: CapEx is expected to decline by $30 million in 2025, with a focus on maintenance projects, which may limit growth investments.

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Guidance & Outlook

Adjusted EBITDA: Delivered adjusted EBITDA of $80 million, a 7% sequential improvement and 4% higher year-over-year.

Capital Expenditure (CapEx): CapEx expected to decline by $30 million in 2025, primarily for maintenance projects.

Free Cash Flow: Free cash flow is poised to improve sharply due to higher EBITDA and declining CapEx.

Volume Growth Expectations: Anticipate volume growth in 2025 based on commitments from customers, even if overall markets remain flat.

Rubber Segment Gross Profit: Expect Rubber segment gross profit per ton to be comparable to 2024 levels.

Specialty Segment Outlook: Expecting volume improvement and favorable pricing in the Specialty segment for 2025.

Q4 Adjusted EBITDA Guidance: Expecting around $70 million for Q4, which would be the best fourth quarter ever.

2025 Outlook: Encouraged about prospects for 2025, with expectations for higher earnings, returns, and free cash flow.

Net Debt to EBITDA: Expect net debt to EBITDA to be closer to 2.8 by year-end 2024, targeting a ratio of 2 to 2.5 within 12 to 24 months.

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Shareholder Return Plan

Share Buyback Program: Orion bought back $11 million worth of stock, representing just over 1% of shares outstanding, with 5.4 million shares remaining under the current authorization through mid-2027.

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Key Q&A

Q:Would you say your volumes are at a trough, meaning you don’t expect imports to be another negative impact into next year?

A:We do see some mix change in terms of who our customers are. That’s part of our strategy. We think that makes us less vulnerable to a consumer sell down a little bit.

Q:Is that a conservative base that we should be thinking about in that we’re not losing price volumes gain and there could be upside with favorable contract negotiations?

A:I would not be looking at a repeat of what we achieved a couple of years ago and recognize we’re in the supply-demand section segment that we are.

Q:Can you give your perspective on the outlook for capacity addition either new plants or debottlenecking?

A:I don’t think there’s a big incentive for a new brownfield line or a new greenfield line in the Rubber Carbon Black space.

Q:To what extent is that just typical winter destock?

A:Customers have expressed to us even before the election that they just plan to take longer holiday outages in December.

Q:Could you elaborate on the regional mix effects in specialty Black?

A:Profitability in Europe is higher on a per ton basis than in Asia.

Q:How do you see Russia normalizing or if we go beyond 2025?

A:I don’t think anybody is going to want 50% of their supply chain coming out of Russia going forward.

Q:In a world of higher tariffs for China and other Asian countries, is that good or bad for you?

A:Our view is higher tariffs would be good for us.

Q:What’s driving the increased working capital this year?

A:We built some inventory, particularly in the third quarter.

Q:Do you see the industry building inventories before tariffs are put in place?

A:There’s very, very, very little carbon black imported into the United States.

Q:How much of a drag has Huaibei been in 2024?

A:You would expect that to be a low single to mid digits impact for this year.

Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses

A:Management avoided giving a direct answer regarding the specifics of pricing negotiations and the impact of tariffs on future volumes, using vague language and lacking clarity on the exact outcomes.

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