Earnings call transcript: National Bank Holdings' Q4 2024 earnings beat estimates
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Overview
The earnings call presents a mixed picture: strong financial performance with increased earnings per share and net income, alongside a robust net interest margin. However, concerns about rising non-interest expenses and competitive pressures in the loan market temper optimism. The lack of detailed shareholder return plans and unclear guidance on loan growth further contribute to uncertainty. The Q&A session highlighted potential weaknesses in the transportation sector and management's vague responses to strategic questions. Given the small market cap, the stock is likely to remain stable, resulting in a neutral prediction.
Key Financial Performance
Earnings per diluted share (Q4) $0.86 (up from $0.73), adjusted for the impact of the security sales.
Net income (Q4) $33,200,000 (up from $28,200,000), adjusted for the one-time security sale loss.
Net interest income growth (Q4) 11.3% annualized growth, driven by a strong net interest margin of 3.99%.
Net interest margin (Q4) 3.99% (up 12 basis points), due to a 22 basis point reduction in cost of deposits.
Tangible book value growth (2024) 11% growth during 2024.
Common equity Tier 1 capital ratio (end of 2024) 13.2%.
Total assets (end of 2024) $9,800,000,000.
Non-interest income (Q4) $11,100,000, which included $6,600,000 of pre-tax losses on investment security sales.
Non-interest expense (Q4) $64,500,000, which included $1,200,000 of impairment from the consolidation of 3 banking centers.
Full year net income (2024) $118,800,000 (or $3.08 per diluted share), adjusted for the impact of the security sales, net income was $123,900,000 (or $3.22 per diluted share).
Provision expense (Q4) $2,000,000, driven by loan growth and an increase in reserve requirements.
Allowance to total loans ratio (end of Q4) 1.22%, consistent with the prior quarter.
Effective tax rate (2024) 18.5%, benefiting from research and development tax credits.
Core bank non-interest expense growth (2025) Projected to increase by 3%, excluding 2 UNIFI related expenses.
Total non-interest expenses (2024) $254,000,000, which included $13,000,000 of 2 UNIFI related expenses.
Loan fundings (Q4) $480,000,000, among the highest loan production in the company's history.
Average deposit growth (2024) 4.7%.
Charge-offs (Q4) 11 basis points of annualized net charge-offs for the quarter.
Total non-interest income projection (2025) Projected to be in the range of $72,000,000 to $77,000,000.
Non-interest expense projection (2025) Projected to be in the range of $272,000,000 to $278,000,000.
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Operating Highlights
2 UNIFI: User testing is progressing well, with expectations to add additional users by the end of the month. Revenue is not publicly forecasted for the year, but is expected to begin in the second half.
Loan Growth: Projected loan growth for 2025 is in the mid-single digits, with a solid loan pipeline entering the New Year.
Total Assets: The goal for 2025 is to grow beyond $10 billion in total assets, driven by solid loan and investment portfolio increases.
Net Interest Income: Reported an 11.3% annualized growth in net interest income during Q4, with a strong net interest margin of 3.99%.
Deposit Strategy: Core deposits grew by approximately $40 million, indicating a positive trend in deposit activity.
Investment Securities Sale: A strategic sale of investment securities of approximately $130 million was announced, with proceeds to be reinvested in higher yielding securities.
Expense Management: Non-interest expense for 2025 is projected to be in the range of $272 million to $278 million, with a core bank expense increase of 3%.
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Risk or Challenges
Forward Looking Statements: The company acknowledges that actual results could differ materially from those discussed due to risks, uncertainties, and other factors.
Strategic Sale of Investment Securities: A strategic sale of investment securities resulted in an after-tax loss of $5,000,000, which poses a risk to net income.
Credit Quality Concerns: Weakness in the transportation sector is noted as a source of concern, although it represents less than 2% of total outstandings.
Regulatory Impact of Durbin Amendment: The company is managing to avoid a $10,000,000 charge over two years due to asset management strategies, but this remains a potential risk.
Expense Management: Projected non-interest expenses for 2025 are expected to increase, including significant investments in technology, which could impact profitability.
Economic Environment: The competitive environment remains challenging, with elevated levels of payoffs and paydowns reflecting economic activity, which could affect loan growth.
Interest Rate Policy: Future interest rate changes are not incorporated into projections, which could pose risks to net interest margins.
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Guidance & Outlook
Strategic Sale of Investment Securities: Announced a strategic sale of investment securities of approximately $130,000,000 resulting in an after-tax loss of $5,000,000. Proceeds will be reinvested in higher yielding securities in Q1 2025.
Loan Growth Projections: Anticipate higher levels of loan demand in 2025, projecting loan growth to be in the mid-single digits.
Investment in 2Unify: Investment in 2Unify projected to be in the range of $27,000,000 to $29,000,000 for 2025, with a focus on building the banking marketplace of the future.
Total Assets Growth: Goal for 2025 is to grow beyond $10,000,000,000 in total assets, driven by solid loan and investment portfolio increases.
Net Interest Margin Guidance: For 2025, projecting fully taxable equivalent net interest margin to remain in the 3.9% range.
Non-Interest Income Guidance: For 2025, total non-interest income projected to be in the range of $72,000,000 to $77,000,000.
Non-Interest Expense Guidance: 2025 non-interest expense projected to be in the range of $272,000,000 to $278,000,000, excluding 2Unify related expenses.
Effective Tax Rate Guidance: 2025 effective tax rate projected to be around 19%.
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Shareholder Return Plan
Shareholder Return Plan: The company is focused on maintaining a strong capital position and is open to shareholder-friendly actions, including potential mergers and acquisitions, as well as share buybacks or dividends, although specific plans were not detailed in the call.
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Key Q&A
Q:On the loan front, are you seeing any changes in the competitive environment there? And any particular areas you're targeting this year?
A:No, I think the competitive environment has been competitive going into late 2024 already. So, we're not seeing necessarily or projecting any changes in going into next year.
Q:On the credit front, was there a certain relationship that caused the rise in NPAs there or segment?
A:The way to address it is if I think about industry segments and exposures, we've previously noted, we continue to see weakness in the transportation space in particular.
Q:On the plan to unify expenses for this year, did I hear it was $27,000,000 Was that right?
A:Yes, that's correct. I gave a range of $27,000,000 to $29,000,000.
Q:Can you remind us of what the expense impact is from Durbin? And then any other considerations around the $10,000,000,000 threshold?
A:We've avoided roughly a $10,000,000 charge over the course of 2 years, 5 this year, 5 next year, as a result of simply pushing it into 25.
Q:Could an acquisition help dilute the Durbin impact? Yes, but it's so insignificant. I mean, we wouldn't let that drive M and A activity. We're still focused on strategic partners that share similar cultures and views toward relationship banking and we are having very constructive conversations on that front.
A:Yes, Charlie, your question is important because I think one thing we would point out is that obviously we can't provide details, but we've been examined as a regional bank now as though we were over $10,000,000,000 for the last 2 years.
Q:I know you had the friends and family launch here recently. How did that progress? And when do you think we can start seeing some revenue falls to the bottom line?
A:User testing is going well. A key focus has been on the quality of the integrations, and I'm pleased to report that we encountered really only one partner issue.
Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses
A:Management did not provide a clear answer regarding the specific areas they are targeting for loan growth in 2025, only stating that they are not projecting any changes in the competitive environment.
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The earnings call presents a mixed picture: strong financial performance with increased earnings per share and net income, alongside a robust net interest margin. However, concerns about rising non-interest expenses and competitive pressures in the loan market temper optimism. The lack of detailed shareholder return plans and unclear guidance on loan growth further contribute to uncertainty. The Q&A session highlighted potential weaknesses in the transportation sector and management's vague responses to strategic questions. Given the small market cap, the stock is likely to remain stable, resulting in a neutral prediction.
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