Lennar Corporation (LEN) Q1 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Overview

The earnings call presents a positive outlook with strong financial performance, including a 23% increase in homes delivered and improved margins. The Q&A highlights robust demand despite affordability challenges and a strategic focus on shareholder returns through buybacks and dividends. The land spin-off and operational efficiencies further enhance prospects. While there are affordability concerns, Lennar's strategies appear resilient, supporting a positive stock price movement.

Key Financial Performance

Homes Started 18,338 homes started, a 38% increase year-over-year.

Homes Sold 18,176 homes sold, a 28% increase year-over-year.

Homes Delivered 16,798 homes delivered, a 23% increase year-over-year.

Gross Margin 21.8%, slightly higher than expected, with an expectation of approximately 22.5% next quarter.

Cash Flow $5 billion in cash on hand, with a homebuilding debt to total capital ratio of 9.6%.

Share Repurchase $506 million allocated to repurchase 3.4 million shares.

Dividend Increased to $2 per share from $1.50 per share.

Financial Services Operating Earnings $131 million, with mortgage operating earnings of $100 million compared to $59 million in the prior year.

Title Operating Earnings $33 million, up from $23 million in the prior year.

Inventory Turn 1.5, a 15% increase year-over-year.

Debt to Total Capital Ratio 9.6%, improved from 14.2% in the prior year.

Return on Equity 15.8%.

Book Value per Share $95.74.

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Operating Highlights

New Products: Lennar is focusing on producing affordable and attainable housing, particularly for working-class families, through engineered efficiencies and core product strategies.

Build-to-Rent: Lennar is intensifying its focus on build-to-rent models, aiming to provide professionally owned housing that meets the needs of families who cannot yet afford to buy.

Market Expansion: Lennar has increased its market share in 33 of its 40 operating divisions, with 23 divisions holding the number one market share.

Geographic Growth: Significant market share growth was reported in various regions, including the Carolinas, Midwest, and Florida.

Operational Efficiencies: Lennar has improved its cycle time by 30% year-over-year, now averaging 154 days for single-family homes.

Cash Flow Management: The company has maintained a strong cash flow, with $5 billion in cash and a homebuilding debt-to-total capital ratio of 9.6%.

Strategic Shifts: Lennar is pursuing a land-light strategy, focusing on just-in-time land acquisition and considering a strategic spin-off to enhance its land strategy.

Capital Allocation: The company has authorized an additional $5 billion for stock repurchases and raised its dividend to $2 per share.

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Risk or Challenges

Economic Factors: The company faces challenges due to higher interest rates impacting affordability, making it difficult for potential buyers to qualify for loans. Inflationary pressures have also increased living costs, affecting savings for down payments.

Supply Chain Challenges: The company is navigating a chronic housing shortage, which is exacerbated by rising land and labor costs. This situation necessitates a focus on production efficiencies to maintain affordability.

Competitive Pressures: Lennar is experiencing competitive pressures as other builders pull back, but they are strategically increasing their market share by maintaining consistent starts and leveraging their operational efficiencies.

Regulatory Issues: The company is aware of potential regulatory challenges that could arise, particularly in relation to land acquisition and development processes.

Debt and Financial Management: While the company has a strong balance sheet, there are concerns about having too much cash on hand, which could limit returns. They are also managing upcoming debt maturities.

Market Conditions: The overall market conditions remain challenging due to fluctuating interest rates and economic uncertainties, which could impact future sales and profitability.

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Guidance & Outlook

Home Deliveries: Expect deliveries for the year to be approximately 10% higher than last year at 80,000 homes.

Margins: Next quarter, expect margin to be approximately 22.5%, with a full year margin of approximately 23.3%.

Cash Flow and Share Repurchase: Allocated over $500 million to repurchase 3.4 million shares of stock.

Land Strategy: Continued focus on a land-light balance sheet and just-in-time delivery program for land.

Build-to-Rent Strategy: Intensified focus on build-to-rent community scale and single-family for-rent markets.

Spin-off Strategy: Considering a strategic spin-off of excess land to create a permanent capital vehicle.

Q2 New Orders: Expect Q2 new orders to be in the range of 20,900 to 21,300 homes.

Q2 Deliveries: Anticipate Q2 deliveries to be in the range of 19,000 to 19,500 homes.

Q2 Average Sales Price: Expect average sales price in the range of $420,000 to $425,000.

Q2 EPS Guidance: Expect EPS range of approximately $3.15 to $3.25 per share for Q2.

Full Year Deliveries: Remain committed to delivering 80,000 homes for the full year.

Capital Allocation: Targeting a capital allocation of at least $2.5 billion for the year.

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Shareholder Return Plan

Dividend per Share: Increased to $2 per share from $1.50 per share.

Total Dividends Paid: Total dividends paid this quarter amounted to $139 million.

Share Repurchase Program: Allocated over $500 million to repurchase 3.4 million shares of stock.

Authorized Stock Repurchase: Authorized an additional $5 billion of stock repurchases.

Future Stock Repurchase Target: Expect to repurchase in excess of $2 billion of stock.

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Key Q&A

Q:Stuart, first one I wanted to ask you. It sounds like you were – and maybe I’m reading too much into this, but it sounds like you were – and maybe I’m reading too much into kind of mortgage qualification issues a little bit more than you have in recent quarters. And I’m curious if you’ve seen something specifically in the near-term that is kind of leading you to highlight that?

A:So I think it starts with the fact that affordability is stretched, but we are definitely seeing a little bit more credit card debt and personal debt from the customer showing up in their applications. We have seen some delinquencies in some of that debt.

Q:It seems like the market is generally tracking in line with what you expected three months ago, and I think the guidance reflects that. Stuart, I think three months ago probably really the main difference is I think we and you and probably everybody were probably expecting rates to be lower by now, and some of the inflation metrics might be a little bit stickier than people were hoping for. So when you think about the margin guide for the back half of the year, it does imply a pretty healthy ramp. And I think your comments last quarter suggested an expectation that as rates move down, you would be able to pull back a little bit on incentives and discounts. And I’m just curious if that thought process has changed at all or if you’re seeing enough on the demand side today that you’ve either already done the heavy lifting on pulling back on incentives or you’re confident that that’s going to transpire over the next few months?

A:So really interesting question, Alan, and let’s start with the fact that demand is strong, and I can’t emphasize that enough, that demand is strong. Now with that said, there’s limited supply and there’s also affordability factors that are playing into this.

Q:I had a little bit of difficulty catching all your comments. So apologies if I'm repeating in here. But I believe, Stuart, you were discussing maybe a new iteration of Quarterra. And maybe, I don't know if you're still calling it that. But this time, you talked about $4 billion worth of land, I think, being included in this entity. Just wanted to get some more color around that. So is that about a half a year's worth of land? How is that $4 billion different from what was initially conceived?

A:So first of all, I have PTSD going backwards and talking about the prior spin. So, I'm not going to use the Quarterra name right now. This is specifically taxable spend, straight down the fairway land that is basically under production that is regular operating land, it is not excess or ancillary property or anything like that.

Q:How about these other assets, which were initially conceived to be in this entity – the previously been called Quarterra. Are there any plans for that?

A:Well, I think it's widely known that relative to our first fund of multifamily where we do have some investment that is currently under discussion as to how it will – it has come to the end of its fund life, and we're considering either a sale or some kind of extension program or something.

Q:I think earlier you were discussing in your prepared remarks, the cash that you have on your balance sheet, $5 billion. And I think you acknowledged that there was some interest in seeing how you are going to deploy that. And I believe you talked about that. Your response to that was that talked about a strengthening of your relationship with your land partners, how that has evolved, how would it have been tested over the last 1.5 years? And you have come through that now to a – at a place where you have now a much more robust relationship battle tested with your partners. And so it seemed to me that you were suggesting that the excess cash as you were holding maybe no longer served the purpose that it once did. I want to make sure that I and paraphrasing what you were saying correctly. And if so, it sort of still leaves open the question of, is there anything else that you might be waiting for that you want to be patient about to see before maybe deploying that cash?

A:Look, we've been unapologetic about the patients. As we've migrated to a land-light strategy, we wanted to be patient about recognizing that we are developing new sources of land relationships.

Q:First, a little bit more obviously on the – on this proposed land spend. And I just want to make sure I'm thinking about it correctly because initially, I think to Steve's prior question, it kind of hit on different areas of your current land program or prior iterations of how you're thinking about moving different assets on or off the balance sheet. So it kind of sounds like this might be more of a – when you talk about a spin and a new or separate vehicle, my mind is kind of moving a little bit towards the four-star type of relationship of that they have with D.R. Horton. And the fact that there's a lot of land that is on the Forestar entity that is – has a lot of rights of first refusal, et cetera, to Horton. As opposed to something that I thought was more of the direction when you started talking about this, which was kind of more moving land towards your existing land banking or land bankers relationships, primarily thinking about the large facility that you have with Angelo Gordon. So just want to make sure that I'm thinking about it correctly in terms of it being more the former than the latter.

A:So, Mike, I recognize your thirst for more detail, and we'll give you more detail as we refine our program. And I wouldn't be thinking about it through the lens of Forestar. We're probably not going to go in that direction.

Q:So – but just on that point, if you're talking about a $4 billion type of number, it would appear that that represents the – again, over 80% of the land and land under development. So we're talking about, in effect, the majority of your land holdings. Is that the right way to think about it?

A:We have been moving to a land light strategy. That would be correct.

Q:On the gross margin front, was asked earlier about back half of the year? And it seems like to get to the guidance of roughly flat year-over-year for the full-year you're looking at back half gross margins of roughly 24% on average. We talked about maybe the mortgage market being perhaps less potentially a downward slope throughout the year than was initially anticipated. What is necessary to hit that 24% in the back half? Is it kind of already, I would assume on the books from a land cost basis, construction cost basis. Or are there – do you need to have less costly incentives or better pricing?

A:So as we've detailed, our focus and programming has been really carefully crafted by design to focus on using our production programs to bring down costs and to use our machine to focus on right pricing.

Q:So do you see – and I think we all can model what that free cash flow will be within a range. Do you see – when you get to that comfort level, where land is neutralized? Therefore, net income equals cash flow. Do you guys see yourself systematically buying back stock in line with net income? Or do you – when we get to that point, or are you guys going to try to time it?

A:No. I think that, generally speaking, I think we’re migrating to a more orderly buyback program. We’ve been conservative in our buyback program.

Q:I mean if the purpose here is to sort of guarantee capital for Lennar to grow and sort of guarantee land banking, even if private equity pulls back, I mean, it would seem that the spin would need to be very well financed, a strong balance sheet how much cash do you envision to spin meeting?

A:Probably not very much. I think that the assets, as they’re configured or as we’re thinking about it, should be cash flowing pretty readily.

Q:Can you just walk us through some of the moving pieces there? Net price cost inflation, incremental cost inflation things of that nature.

A:Yes. John, I think that we can walk through it more in detail, but I think that if you look at the second quarter of last year, it’s very comparable.

Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses

A:Management appeared to avoid giving a direct answer when asked about the specifics of the $4 billion land spend and how it would impact their current land holdings. They provided vague responses regarding the structure and financing of the new land program without offering concrete details.

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