Power Corporation of Canada (POW:CA) Q4 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Overview

The earnings call highlights strong financial metrics, including a significant increase in NAV and a robust cash balance, alongside a substantial share buyback program. While there are some concerns about negative earnings in certain segments, management's focus on AI and strategic growth initiatives, along with optimistic guidance, suggest potential for future growth. The Q&A session did not reveal major risks, and the company's capital return strategy is likely to support a positive stock price movement.

Key Financial Performance

Adjusted Net Earnings (Q4 2025) $867 million, up 5% year-over-year. Reasons: Strong contributions from Great-West and IGM, supported by Great-West's seventh consecutive base earnings over $1 billion in a quarter and double-digit growth in the U.S. Capital and Risk Solutions.

Adjusted Net Earnings Per Share (Q4 2025) $1.36, up 6% year-over-year. Reasons: Same as above, driven by strong performance in Great-West and IGM.

Great-West Contribution to Adjusted Net Earnings Rose 13% year-over-year. Reasons: Strong base earnings, double-digit growth in the U.S., and strong performance in Capital and Risk Solutions.

IGM Contribution to Adjusted Earnings Up 22% year-over-year. Reasons: Strong IG Wealth and Mackenzie net flows, AUM&A up 15% year-over-year.

AUM&A (Assets Under Management and Administration) Up 15% year-over-year and 3% quarter-over-quarter. Reasons: Strong net flows and market performance.

GBL Contribution to Adjusted Net Earnings Net loss of $15 million. Reasons: Fair value losses on the GBL Capital portfolio, while previous periods included significant gains.

Sagard Contribution to Adjusted Earnings $26 million, up from a loss of $11 million last quarter but down from $33 million in the prior year. Reasons: Fair value increases in private equity and venture capital.

Power Sustainable Adjusted Loss $21 million, compared to a loss of $16 million in the previous quarter and $43 million in the prior year. Reasons: Operating losses related to energy infrastructure.

Adjusted Net Asset Value (NAV) Per Share $85.77 as of December 31, 2025, up 42% year-over-year and 19% quarter-over-quarter. Reasons: Strong NAV growth across publicly reported operating companies and fair value increases in Wealthsimple.

Cash Balance (Q4 2025) $2.2 billion, with $1.9 billion available after factoring in dividends. Reasons: Strong capital generation and asset sales.

Share Buybacks (2025) 12.4 million shares repurchased, worth $2.2 billion. Reasons: Strong cash position and return of capital to shareholders.

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Operating Highlights

Market Share Gains: IG Wealth and Mackenzie achieved good market share gains, supported by strong earnings and internal momentum.

Strategic Investments Growth: IGM's strategic investments, including Wealthsimple, Rockefeller, and China Asset Management, showed strong performance and market share growth.

Earnings Growth: Adjusted net earnings for Q4 2025 were $867 million, up 5% year-over-year. Great-West's contribution rose 13%, and IGM's contribution increased by 22%.

Capital Generation: Strong capital generation with $2.2 billion in share buybacks and dividends in 2025.

Cost Management: Higher employee compensation costs and foreign currency translation losses impacted corporate operations.

Leadership Transition: CEO transitions were successfully managed across Power Corporation, Great-West Lifeco, and IGM, ensuring smooth leadership changes.

Portfolio Simplification: GBL completed 95% of its $5 billion portfolio simplification target and announced further divestments of indirect private assets.

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Risk or Challenges

GBL's Contribution to Net Earnings: GBL reported a net loss of $15 million in the quarter due to fair value losses on its capital portfolio and impairments related to investments in Imerys. This reflects challenges in portfolio simplification and asset divestment.

Power Sustainable Losses: Power Sustainable reported an adjusted loss of $21 million, driven by operating losses related to energy infrastructure. This indicates ongoing challenges in achieving profitability in this segment.

Foreign Currency Translation Losses: The company experienced increased losses in corporate operations due to foreign currency translation on euro and U.S. dollar cash balances, compared to gains in the corresponding period.

Employee Compensation Costs: Higher employee compensation costs contributed to increased losses in corporate operations, indicating potential cost management challenges.

Fundraising Challenges for Power Sustainable: Power Sustainable faced difficulties in fundraising for its strategies, which could limit its ability to scale and achieve desired returns.

Sectoral Outflows in Wealth and Asset Management: The Canadian wealth and asset management sector faced outflows over the past five years due to economic conditions, impacting savings and investments in risk products.

Alternative Asset Fundraising Environment: Sagard faced a challenging market for fundraising in the alternative asset space, which could impact its growth and performance.

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Guidance & Outlook

Future Earnings Growth: The company expects continued earnings growth from its earnings-based businesses, including Great-West Life, Mackenzie, and IG Wealth Management. These businesses are positioned to drive future earnings growth.

Net Asset Value (NAV) Growth: The company anticipates further NAV growth driven by both earnings-based and NAV-based businesses. Great-West Life, IGM, and GBL are expected to contribute to this growth.

Cash Generation and Capital Allocation: Strong cash generation is expected across the companies, with significant cash balances available for strategic initiatives and shareholder returns. The company plans to continue share buybacks and dividend increases.

Market Trends and Sector Recovery: The Canadian wealth and asset management sector is showing signs of recovery, with increased savings and investments in risk products. This trend is expected to support growth in IG Wealth and Mackenzie.

Strategic Investments: Strategic investments in businesses like Wealthsimple, Rockefeller, and China Asset Management are expected to contribute to growth in the medium to long term, although they are not yet significant earnings contributors.

Alternative Investment Platforms: Sagard and Power Sustainable are expected to grow through acquisitions, partnerships, and fundraising. Sagard aims to reach $47 billion in assets under management post-acquisition of Unigestion.

Valuation and Shareholder Returns: The company believes its current valuation offers an attractive opportunity for investors, with a 20% discount to NAV. It aims to deliver strong shareholder returns through earnings growth, NAV growth, and capital returns.

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Shareholder Return Plan

Great-West Lifeco Dividend Increase: Great-West Lifeco announced an increase in its quarterly dividend by 10% to $0.67 per share.

IGM Dividend Increase: IGM announced an increase in its quarterly dividend by 10% to $0.62 per share.

GBL Dividend Increase: GBL announced a 2.5% dividend increase to EUR 5.125 payable during 2026.

Great-West Lifeco Share Buyback: Great-West Lifeco continued its NCIB program, contributing to strong capital returns.

IGM Share Buyback: IGM announced aggressive share buybacks for the first time, complementing its dividend increase.

Power Corporation Share Buyback: Power Corporation repurchased 5 million shares worth $329 million in Q4 2025 and 12.4 million shares for the full year 2025, totaling over $2.2 billion in share buybacks and dividends for the year.

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Key Q&A

Q:What drove the consolidation offset this quarter, and is it recurring?

A:Jake Lawrence explained that the consolidation impact was about $0.07 this quarter, largely one-off in nature, related to fair value changes and timing recognition of investments within Great-West and IGM. Efforts are being made to smooth out these timing differences.

Q:How much focus is being placed on AI at the Board level of Great-West and IGM?

A:Robert Orr stated that AI is a significant focus at both the Board and management levels. Each management team owns the issue, with efforts to coordinate learning across the group. They are prioritizing AI initiatives, conducting pilots, and exploring opportunities while acknowledging that tangible P&L benefits may take time to materialize.

Q:Why do Power Corp's earnings from Sagard and Power Sustainable not align with the 10%+ return target?

A:Jake Lawrence clarified that the $3.2 billion in proprietary capital includes various strategies with different return profiles. Some investments, like private credit, generate steady income, while others, like venture capital, are episodic. Robert Orr added that some funds show losses due to depreciation but are creating value through NAV appreciation and positive cash flow.

Q:What is contributing to negative fee-related earnings at Sagard and Sustainable, and when might this improve?

A:Robert Orr explained that Sagard is prioritizing growth, adding strategies, and aiming to become a $100 billion mid-market player. This growth involves upfront costs, leading to negative fee-related earnings. Power Sustainable faces a greater scale challenge and needs more assets to achieve a sustainable P&L.

Q:Why is Power Corp holding more cash instead of aggressively buying back shares?

A:Robert Orr stated that the cash balance grew unexpectedly due to timing of inflows from Great-West buybacks. The company intends to prioritize share buybacks as its top capital priority, acknowledging the current large cash balance.

Q:Is Power Corp proportionately tendering to the IGM buyback?

A:No, Power Corp is not proportionately tendering to the IGM buyback. Jake Lawrence mentioned that this could be revisited over time, but the current focus is on utilizing the strong cash balance for other priorities.

Q:What caused the $60 million increase in operating expenses this quarter?

A:Jake Lawrence attributed the increase to higher employee compensation costs, particularly performance-related and long-term incentive compensation. These costs are not expected to recur at the same magnitude in 2026.

Q:What is the strategy for capital allocation given the narrowing discount to NAV?

A:Robert Orr explained that the discount to NAV has narrowed significantly, but buybacks remain a priority to return excess capital to shareholders. Investments in operating companies or other businesses will be considered if they offer adequate returns and align with strategy.

Q:What is the fundraising environment like for Sagard and Power Sustainable?

A:Jake Lawrence noted that the fundraising environment remains tough, but Sagard raised $3.5 billion in 2025. Strategies include partnerships and acquisitions to build scale, such as the Unigestion acquisition.

Q:What is the status of Sagard's private credit portfolio?

A:Jake Lawrence stated that Sagard's private credit portfolio, valued at around $6 billion, is conservatively positioned with low leverage and minimal software exposure. Default rates are not rising, and the portfolio is performing well.

Q:How is Sagard leveraging the insurance channel for growth?

A:Robert Orr explained that while there is some opportunity to leverage Canada Life and Great-West Lifeco's balance sheets, the primary focus is on credit products. However, this channel alone is not expected to drive significant growth for Sagard.

Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses

A:Management avoided directly addressing when Sagard and Power Sustainable might achieve positive fee-related earnings, providing a general explanation of growth priorities and challenges instead. Additionally, while discussing capital allocation, the response lacked specific details on how excess cash would be deployed beyond buybacks.

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