Carlyle Credit Income Fund (CCIF) Q3 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Overview

The earnings call highlights strong financial performance, including high cash-on-cash yield, robust dividend coverage, and a low default rate. The Q&A section reassures stability despite potential rate cuts and emphasizes strategic portfolio optimization. The management's openness to European investments and share repurchases adds a positive outlook. Overall, the company's solid financial metrics, strategic initiatives, and management's clear communication suggest a positive sentiment, likely leading to a stock price increase of 2% to 8% over the next two weeks.

Key Financial Performance

Monthly Dividend $0.105 per share or 22.1% annualized based on the share price as of August 15, 2025. Supported by $0.55 of recurring cash flows for the quarter, providing 174% of dividend coverage.

New CLO Investments $28.1 million with a weighted average GAAP yield of 14.6%. The aggregate portfolio weighted average GAAP yield was 15.1% as of June 30.

CLO Rotations Rotated out of 7 CLO investments for total proceeds of $16.2 million.

ATM Offering Program Sold 1.4 million common shares above net asset value for total net proceeds of $9.2 million.

Portfolio Weighted Average Junior Overcollateralization Cushion 4.5%, reflecting a defensive positioning to offset potential defaults and losses.

Portfolio Cash-on-Cash Yield 23.1% on CLO investment quarterly payments, supporting the monthly dividend.

Portfolio Weighted Average Spread of Underlying Loans 3.25%, with a 4 basis point decline due to loan repricings.

Percentage of Loans Rated CCC by S&P 4.4%, below the 7.5% CCC limit in CLOs.

Percentage of Loans Trading Below 80 Decreased from 3.3% to 3.1%.

Total Investment Income $8.6 million or $0.43 per share for the third quarter.

Total Expenses $4.7 million for the third quarter.

Total Net Investment Income $4 million or $0.19 per share for the third quarter.

Adjusted Net Investment Income $4.5 million or $0.22 per share for the third quarter, adjusting for $0.03 per share impact from amortization of OID and issuance cost for preferred shares.

Core Net Investment Income $0.35 per share for the third quarter, providing dividend coverage of 111% of the monthly dividend.

Net Asset Value (NAV) $6.51 per share as of June 30, based on third-party bid side mark for 100% of the CLO portfolio.

Legacy Real Estate Asset Fair market value of $2.2 million, with ongoing sales process.

Series B Convertible Preferred Shares $5 million converted into common stock at a price above NAV, with $3.5 million remaining outstanding.

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Operating Highlights

New CLO investments: $28.1 million invested during the quarter with a weighted average GAAP yield of 14.6%.

Portfolio refinancings and resets: Completed 2 refinancings and resets, reducing liability costs and extending reinvestment periods.

CLO issuance: Totaled $42 billion for the quarter, with $17 billion in May alone, reflecting improved market conditions.

Loan market recovery: Prices recovered in Q2 after volatility, with the LSTA index returning 2.3%.

Dividend coverage: Monthly dividend of $0.105 per share supported by $0.55 recurring cash flows, providing 174% coverage.

Portfolio performance: Weighted average GAAP yield of 15.1% and cash-on-cash yield of 23.1%.

Defensive portfolio positioning: Focused on higher quality managers and structures with robust overcollateralization cushions.

Market volatility opportunities: Capitalized on temporary dislocations to purchase discounted loans, supporting future value creation.

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Risk or Challenges

CLO equity valuations sensitivity: CLO equity valuations remain sensitive to macroeconomic volatility and loan repricing in the leveraged loan market, which could impact portfolio performance.

Loan repricing pressure: Loan repricing caused a decline in the weighted average spread of the portfolio's underlying loans, which could affect cash yields and overall returns.

Market volatility: Periods of market volatility, such as those seen earlier in the quarter, pressured loan prices and CLO equity valuations, potentially impacting investment performance.

Default rates: The broader market's last 12-month default rate stands at 3.8%, which is elevated relative to long-term norms, though CCIF's portfolio has a lower default rate of 1.2%.

Economic uncertainty: Ongoing macroeconomic uncertainty could affect credit fundamentals and borrower performance, impacting the portfolio's stability.

CLO liability spreads: CLO liability spreads widened sharply during periods of market stress, which could increase the cost of liabilities and reduce profitability.

Concentration in CLO investments: The fund's heavy reliance on CLO investments exposes it to risks specific to this asset class, including sensitivity to credit quality and market conditions.

Legacy real estate asset: The fund continues to hold a legacy real estate asset valued at $2.2 million, which may pose challenges in terms of liquidity and valuation.

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Guidance & Outlook

Dividend Guidance: The company maintained its monthly dividend at $0.105 per share, declared through November 2025, supported by recurring cash flows providing 174% dividend coverage.

CLO Market Activity: The company expects refinancing and reset activity to pick up as CLO liability spreads continue to tighten. Reset activity is anticipated to remain strong as CLO debt spreads tighten further, with a large cohort of 2021 vintage CLOs approaching the end of their reinvestment periods in 2026.

Portfolio Positioning: The portfolio is positioned defensively, focusing on higher-quality managers and structures with ample reinvestment periods and robust overcollateralization cushions. The weighted average junior overcollateralization cushion is 4.5%, and the average remaining reinvestment period increased to 3.3 years.

Market Trends and Issuance: CLO issuance totaled $42 billion for the quarter, with new issuance on track to outpace record 2024 levels. The loan market prices broadly recovered in Q2 2025, with stabilization following earlier volatility.

Default Rates and Credit Fundamentals: The market's last 12-month default rate stands at approximately 3.8%, while CCIF's underlying loan portfolio experienced a lower default rate of 1.2%. Credit fundamentals across the U.S. leveraged loan market remain resilient.

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Shareholder Return Plan

Monthly Dividend: Maintained at $0.105 per share or 22.1% annualized based on the share price as of August 15, 2025. Declared through November 2025.

Dividend Coverage: Supported by $0.55 of recurring cash flows for the quarter, providing 174% of dividend coverage.

Core Net Investment Income: $0.35 per share, providing dividend coverage of 111% of the monthly dividend of $0.105 per share.

ATM Offering Program: Sold 1.4 million common shares above net asset value for total net proceeds of $9.2 million.

Series B Convertible Preferred Shares: Holders converted $5 million into common stock at a price above net asset value. 3.5 million of the Series B convertible preferred shares remain outstanding.

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Key Q&A

Q:As we look at the portfolio yield, it seems that it's come in since the end of '24. As we look out to the year-end '25, beginning of '26, especially if the Fed cuts rates, would we expect this total portfolio to kind of be flat at this level or declining?

A:Nishil Mehta explained that the decline in GAAP yields is driven by a record number of loan repricings since early 2024, caused by a supply/demand imbalance and reduced capital markets activity. To offset this, the company is refinancing and resetting portfolios and optimizing the portfolio by rotating out of substandard positions. Regarding Fed rate cuts, he stated that the floating rate nature of loans and financing would largely offset each other, so rate declines would not materially impact GAAP yields.

Q:On cash yield, it seems it ticked up in the quarter-over-quarter. As we look out to the year-end '25, beginning '26, should we expect the cash yield to remain at this level?

A:Nishil Mehta noted that the uptick in cash yield last quarter was due to fewer CLOs withholding payments for refinancing and resets. He mentioned that cash yields might decline with continued repricing but expressed hope that they would stabilize as refinancing and resets continue.

Q:Given the global reach of the Carlyle parent into global debt markets, does CCIF currently have any non-U.S. CLO positions in the portfolio? If not, is there a mandate to only do U.S., or have you just not seen attractive risk-adjusted opportunities in other markets?

A:Nishil Mehta confirmed that CCIF currently does not hold European investments but noted that their larger CLO investing platform does invest in Europe. He stated that they are actively evaluating European opportunities and may include European investments in the portfolio within the next 3 to 6 months, with any investments hedged back to dollars.

Q:What is the opportunity to utilize the new $30 million credit facility, and how does it compare to other methods of financing the portfolio?

A:Nishil Mehta explained that the credit line will be used as a working capital line to smooth inflows and outflows, making operations more efficient by reducing the need to hold cash. He clarified that its usage will be episodic and limited, rather than for leveraging the balance sheet.

Q:Given the current discount where the stock is trading relative to NAV, have you given any thought to potentially repurchasing shares at the structure?

A:Nishil Mehta stated that share repurchases are discussed internally and with the board. He mentioned that both he and Lauren have made personal stock purchases, viewing it as a great value, and that discussions on repurchasing versus making new investments will continue.

Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses

A:Management did not avoid directly answering any questions, and their responses were generally clear and detailed.

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