Brown & Brown, Inc. (BRO) Q4 2025 Earnings Call Transcript
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Overview
The earnings call summary shows stable financial performance and a positive outlook on customer diversification and M&A activity. However, potential risks such as employee retention issues, unclear organic growth projections, and competitive pressures on CAT property rates temper optimism. The Q&A section highlights management's avoidance of direct answers on key concerns, adding uncertainty. Without a market cap, the overall sentiment remains neutral, reflecting balanced positive and negative factors.
Key Financial Performance
Revenue for Q4 $1.6 billion, growing 35.7% year-over-year. Organic revenue decreased 2.8%, primarily due to flood claims processing revenue recognized in the fourth quarter of last year.
Adjusted EBITDAC Margin for Q4 32.9%, remained flat year-over-year. This was a strong result considering the negative 200 basis point impact of Accession and prior year flood claim processing revenue.
Adjusted Earnings Per Share for Q4 $0.93, grew over 8% year-over-year. Growth was strong despite the impact of last year's flood claims processing revenue.
Revenue for Full Year 2025 $5.9 billion, growing 23% year-over-year. Organic growth was 2.8%, driven by M&A and contingent commissions.
Adjusted EBITDAC Margin for Full Year 2025 36%, increased by 70 basis points year-over-year. Growth was driven by higher contingent commissions, lower claims, and disciplined expense management.
Diluted Net Income Per Share for Full Year 2025 $4.26, grew over 10% year-over-year. Growth was supported by strong top-line performance and disciplined management.
Cash Flow from Operations for Full Year 2025 Nearly $1.5 billion, grew 24% year-over-year. Growth was attributed to strong revenue growth and disciplined working capital management.
Retail Segment Organic Growth for Q4 1.1%, negatively impacted by multiyear policies written in Q4 2024, onetime adjustments to incentive commissions, and delayed project work.
Specialty Distribution Organic Growth for Q4 Decreased by 7.8%, primarily due to $28 million of flood claims processing revenue recognized in Q4 2024 and a decrease in CAT property rates.
Accession Revenue for Q4 Approximately $405 million, below the guidance of $430 million to $450 million. Revenue recognition estimates impacted quarterly results but not annual expectations.
Contingent Commissions for Q4 Grew by $37 million, with $21 million coming from Accession. Growth was driven by minimal storm claim activity and higher underwriting profitability.
Effective Tax Rate for Q4 21%, decreased from 24.9% in the prior year. The decrease was driven by benefits from international operations and end-of-year adjustments.
Dividends Paid Per Share for Q4 Increased by 10% year-over-year.
Cash Flow from Operations Ratio for Full Year 2025 24.6% of total revenues, reflecting strong margins and disciplined working capital management.
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Operating Highlights
Investment in talent and technology: Invested in talent and technology to deliver better solutions for customers.
M&A activity: Completed the largest acquisition in company history, Accession, adding over 5,000 teammates and $1.8 billion in annual revenue from 43 acquisitions.
Market pricing trends: Observed stable economic growth and consistent commercial insurance pricing trends, with some moderation in rates for certain lines.
Revenue growth: Achieved 23% revenue growth for the year, driven by M&A, organic growth, and contingent commissions.
Cash flow: Increased cash flow from operations by nearly 24%.
Margins: Expanded EBITDAC margins to 36% for the year, with a 70 basis point increase.
Defending market position: Addressed competition from a start-up broker that took 275 former teammates and $23 million in annual revenue, obtaining an injunction to defend rights.
Long-term margin target: Increased long-term adjusted EBITDAC margin target range to 32%-37%.
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Risk or Challenges
Loss of Key Leadership: The passing of Rob Mathis, Chief Legal Officer, could impact leadership stability and decision-making.
Team Departures to Competitor: Approximately 275 former teammates joined a start-up competitor, taking customers representing $23 million in annual revenue. This poses risks to customer retention and revenue stability.
Integration Challenges: The integration of Accession, the largest acquisition in the company's history, is ongoing and may face challenges in achieving expected synergies and operational alignment.
Decline in CAT Property Rates: Decreasing CAT property rates negatively impacted revenue, particularly in the Specialty Distribution segment.
Delayed Project Work: Certain project work was delayed into 2026, impacting organic growth in the Retail segment.
Rising Healthcare Costs: Medical costs increased by 7%-9% and pharmacy costs by over 10%, challenging customers' financials and potentially impacting demand for employee benefits solutions.
Revenue Recognition Adjustments: Refinements in revenue recognition for Accession led to lower-than-expected revenue and margins for the quarter.
Competitive Pricing in Insurance: Admitted property insurance rates remain competitive, and CAT property rates are expected to decline further, potentially impacting profitability.
Economic Uncertainty: While economic growth is stable, any unexpected downturns could impact customer demand and overall business performance.
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Guidance & Outlook
Revenue Growth: For 2026, the company anticipates modest improvement in organic revenue growth for the Retail segment compared to the 2.8% achieved in 2025. The Retail business is expected to grow in the mid- to low single-digit range in a stable economy and normal pricing environment.
Margins: The company projects relatively flat underlying margins for 2026, with a slight downward impact due to lower investment income. Long-term adjusted EBITDAC margin target range has been increased to 32%-37%.
Economic Outlook: Economic growth is expected to remain relatively stable in 2026, with potential additional stimulus from decreasing interest rates.
Insurance Pricing: Admitted rates are expected to remain similar to Q4 2025 or moderate slightly. Casualty rates are projected to continue increasing, while CAT property rates are expected to decline modestly. E&S space pricing is anticipated to remain similar to Q4 2025.
M&A Activity: The company expects to remain active in mergers and acquisitions in 2026, focusing on businesses and leaders that fit culturally and financially.
Accession Integration: Integration efforts for Accession are expected to be completed by the end of 2028, with EBITDA synergies of approximately $30 million to $40 million anticipated in 2026.
Contingent Commissions: Contingent commissions for Specialty Distribution are expected to decrease by approximately $15 million in 2026 due to one-time adjustments in 2025 and storm claim activity.
Tax Rate: The effective tax rate for 2026 is anticipated to be in the range of 24%-25%.
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Shareholder Return Plan
Dividends paid per share: Increased by 10% as compared to the fourth quarter of 2024.
Share buyback: Bought back $100 million of shares of common stock during the quarter.
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Key Q&A
Q:Have you changed your strategy about retaining your producers? Can you talk about your legal defenses around your customers and company IP?
A:The company has not changed its strategy for retaining producers, which includes a mix of cash compensation and equity based on performance. Regarding legal defenses, the company adheres to nonpiracy and nonsolicitation agreements, typically lasting two years for customers and hiring teammates, with intellectual property protections in perpetuity. However, they cannot comment on ongoing legal actions.
Q:Are you seeing a shift of business from E&S to standard in specific lines? What are your expectations for this trend over the next year?
A:The shift is observed in smaller accounts, particularly in property lines, moving from E&S to standard markets. This trend is seen in the binding authority business and Specialty Distribution. However, the company believes this is not a long-term trend and expects more insured assets to move into the E&S space over time due to pricing and terms flexibility.
Q:Is competition increasing in general, or is Howden's aggressive approach a one-off?
A:Competition is increasing, with multiple firms aggressively hiring. The company supports competition but emphasizes adherence to contracts when hiring from other firms. Howden's approach is not unique, as other firms in the U.S. also adopt similar strategies.
Q:What is driving the deceleration in casualty pricing increases?
A:The deceleration in casualty pricing increases is attributed to a more competitive market. Primary business rates are moderating slightly, but excess casualty rates remain under pressure due to court system dynamics. The company does not expect casualty rates to go negative and anticipates similar pricing trends going forward.
Q:Which accident years are used in the contingent commission formula? Are you still benefiting from harder market years?
A:The contingent commission formula generally uses a 12-month horizon, with some calculations including a rolling 2- or 3-year period. The company continues to benefit from harder market years, particularly in property lines.
Q:Can you clarify the impact of the 275 employees who left for a competitor and the $23 million in lost revenue?
A:The $23 million in lost revenue is attributed to a mix of business, heavily weighted towards employee benefits. Most of the 275 employees were in nonproduction roles, and the company is rehiring in affected areas. The impact will take several quarters to fully materialize, and the company may call out material impacts in future quarters.
Q:Does the underlying margin guidance include contingency and exclude investment income?
A:Yes, the underlying margin guidance isolates the impact of lower investment income and includes contingency. The company expects flat underlying margins, which it views as a strong performance given the circumstances.
Q:Is the $23 million in lost revenue from employees who left the total impact, or could it increase over time?
A:The $23 million represents the current impact. However, the company acknowledges that retention could be affected going forward, depending on customer decisions and legal outcomes. The full impact will become clearer over the next year.
Q:Does the Retail organic growth guidance adjust for the impact of Howden departures?
A:Yes, the Retail organic growth guidance adjusts for the impact of Howden departures.
Q:What was the impact of the government shutdown on Retail and Specialty Distribution?
A:The government shutdown had no material impact on Retail and Specialty Distribution. Any delays were managed effectively and caught up within 30 to 60 days.
Q:What are the offset drivers for Specialty Distribution organic growth in 2026, given headwinds like property CAT pricing and binding authority business moving to admitted markets?
A:The company expects modest growth in the first half of 2026, with stronger growth in the second half due to contributions from Specialty Distribution businesses acquired through Accession. These businesses have minimal CAT exposure and include casualty and other specialty lines.
Q:What is the steady-state organic growth level expected for Specialty Distribution?
A:Specialty Distribution is expected to grow faster than Retail, although growth rates may vary depending on market conditions.
Q:What is the usual cadence for business shifting after losing teammates to competitors?
A:Business shifts immediately for some accounts, while others may take longer as customers review their programs or go through RFPs. The full impact of such shifts will take time to materialize.
Q:Do you anticipate CAT property rates to decline modestly from 4Q levels?
A:Yes, the company anticipates modest declines in CAT property rates in the near to intermediate term, driven by competitive pressures. However, rates may stabilize or increase during hurricane season.
Q:Are we entering an extended period of suboptimal growth in the industry?
A:The company believes the industry is returning to historically normal growth rates. They emphasize cash flow and margins as key performance metrics rather than solely focusing on organic growth.
Q:Can Brown & Brown outgrow the organic pace of the rest of the industry over the next three years?
A:The company focuses on cash flow growth rather than solely on organic growth. They highlight their ability to grow cash through a combination of organic growth, acquisitions, and contingents.
Q:Is there a margin benefit from not incurring comp and ben costs for lost employees while retaining revenues?
A:In the near term, there could be a margin benefit, but it is expected to be immaterial as the company is rehiring in affected areas.
Q:Does the company plan to do team lifts to replace lost employees?
A:No, the company does not typically engage in team lifts. They focus on hiring good individuals who align with their values and goals.
Q:Could incentive commissions be impacted by lower premium growth from national carriers?
A:Yes, incentive commissions could be impacted by lower premium growth from national carriers. This was observed in 2025 and is included in the company's guidance for 2026.
Q:How is Accession performing, and what is its contribution to revenue?
A:Accession is performing well, with strong integration and engagement from new teammates. Revenue recognition adjustments in 4Q do not change the full-year outlook, and the company is pleased with its progress.
Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses
A:Management avoided providing direct answers or lacked clarity on the following questions:
1. The full potential impact of the $23 million in lost revenue from employees who left, as they stated it would take time to materialize and depend on customer decisions and legal outcomes.
2. The specific steady-state organic growth level for Specialty Distribution, as they only provided a general expectation of faster growth compared to Retail.
3. The exact cadence and timeline for business shifting after losing teammates to competitors, as they stated it would vary and depend on customer decisions.
4. The potential for CAT property rates to bottom out, as they refrained from making definitive predictions due to market uncertainties.
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