CBRE Group, Inc. (CBRE) Q3 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Overview

The earnings call summary and Q&A reveal strong financial performance, optimistic guidance, and strategic growth initiatives, particularly in data centers and project management. The raised EPS guidance and expected revenue growth in key segments indicate positive sentiment. Despite some vague responses, the overall outlook and strategic moves, such as leveraging synergies and expanding market share, suggest a positive stock price movement. However, the lack of concrete M&A details and EPS impact specifics slightly temper the sentiment, preventing a strong positive rating.

Key Financial Performance

Revenue from data centers Nearly $700 million, 40% more than in 2024's third quarter. The increase was driven by growth in the data center asset type and related client group, contributing to profitability in all 4 segments.

Combined revenue from Japan and India More than $400 million, a rise of over 30% year-over-year. This growth was attributed to sustained secular growth in commercial real estate services in these regions.

Core EPS Increased by 34% year-over-year. The growth was due to strong performance across all segments and balanced strength in resilient and transactional businesses.

Core EBITDA Grew by 19% year-over-year. This was driven by double-digit revenue gains in both resilient and transactional businesses.

Advisory Services revenue Increased by 16% year-over-year, led by outperformance in leasing and sales. U.S. leasing revenue rose 18%, with industrial leasing up 27% and data center leasing more than doubling. U.S. office leasing also rose by double digits. Outside the U.S., APAC leasing was strong, driven by India and Japan.

Property sales revenue Grew by 28% year-over-year. Strength was observed in office, industrial, and data centers in the U.S., and strong sales growth in Germany, the Netherlands, and Japan.

Mortgage origination revenue Increased by high-teens percentage year-over-year. The growth was driven by an increase in origination fees, primarily from CMBS lenders, banks, and debt funds.

Building Operations & Experience (BOE) revenue Grew by 11% year-over-year. Growth was driven by work for data center hyperscalers, new client wins, and expansions in technology, life sciences, and health care sectors. Revenue in the Americas was up 30%, reflecting strong market share gains.

Project Management revenue Increased by 19% year-over-year. Growth was supported by the U.K., the Middle East, and North America, with strong activity in the U.K. government and demand for data center projects. Legacy Turner & Townsend revenue in North America has more than doubled since 2022.

Real Estate Investments segment operating profit Increased by 8% year-over-year. Growth was in line with expectations, with $2.4 billion of new capital raised in investment management and AUM ending at approximately $156 billion, up $500 million for the quarter.

Free cash flow Expected to be approximately $1.8 billion for the year. This reflects better full-year performance and expectations to delever through the end of the year.

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Operating Highlights

Data Center Revenue: Generated nearly $700 million in Q3 2025, a 40% increase compared to Q3 2024. Accounted for about 10% of overall EBITDA for the quarter.

Geographic Expansion in Japan and India: Combined revenue from Japan and India rose more than 30% to nearly $400 million in Q3 2025.

Leasing Revenue Growth: Global leasing revenue rose 17%, with U.S. leasing reaching its highest level for any third quarter, growing 18%. U.S. industrial leasing increased 27%, and data center leasing more than doubled.

Property Sales Growth: Property sales revenue grew 28%, with strong performance in the U.S., Germany, the Netherlands, and Japan.

Building Operations & Experience Revenue: Achieved 11% revenue growth, driven by data center hyperscalers and new client wins in technology, life sciences, and healthcare sectors.

Project Management Revenue: Revenue increased 19%, supported by growth in the U.K., Middle East, and North America. Legacy Turner & Townsend revenue in North America has more than doubled since 2022.

Development Portfolio Strategy: Strategic land acquisitions position the company to capitalize on demand for large data center development sites, with $900 million of embedded profits expected to be monetized over the next 5 years.

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Risk or Challenges

SEC Comment Letter on Net Revenue Presentation: The company has recently responded to a comment letter from the SEC regarding its presentation of net revenue. This could indicate potential regulatory scrutiny or the need for adjustments in financial reporting, which may impact investor confidence or operational focus.

Softness in Technology Client Spending: Certain technology clients are focusing their capital spending on AI investments, leading to continued softness in this sector. This could impact revenue growth in the Project Management segment.

Currency Headwinds Impacting AUM Growth: Currency headwinds tempered the growth of Assets Under Management (AUM) in the Real Estate Investments segment, which could affect profitability and financial performance.

Timing of Asset Monetization: The timing of asset monetization in the development portfolio is difficult to predict with precision, which could lead to variability in quarterly financial results and investor uncertainty.

Economic and Market Conditions: The company operates in a cyclical industry, and while current results are strong, economic downturns or unfavorable market conditions could adversely impact leasing, sales, and other transactional businesses.

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Guidance & Outlook

Full Year Core EPS Guidance: Raised to $6.25 to $6.35, reflecting outperformance to date and confidence in the fourth quarter pipeline. This includes contributions from data center site dispositions in the development business.

Free Cash Flow: Expected to generate approximately $1.8 billion for the year.

Development Portfolio Profits: More than $900 million of embedded profits expected to be monetized over the next 5 years, with several sites to be monetized later this year or next year.

Data Center Revenue: Continued strong growth expected, with data center site dispositions contributing to development business performance.

Geographic Growth: Japan and India are positioned for sustained secular growth in commercial real estate services, with combined revenue growth of over 30% in Q3.

Project Management Revenue: Significant runway for further gains in North America, with broad-based double-digit revenue growth supported by the U.K., Middle East, and North America.

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Key Q&A

Q:Do you feel like anything got pulled forward from the fourth quarter, or perhaps how we should think about when or in what business lines do comps start to get more challenging or start to normalize from these pretty high levels of growth?

A:Management stated they haven't seen a significant pull forward across segments but acknowledged tough comps. For Advisory, leasing faced tough comps in Q3 and continues in Q4. Sales showed strong activity in Q3 and Q4 but will decelerate compared to 2024. Project Management faces a tough compare as SOP grew 30% in Q4 of the prior year.

Q:Can you comment on the M&A pipeline, especially given the free cash flow? And also whether that had any impact on not buying back stock in the quarter?

A:Management emphasized prioritizing M&A and co-investment into REI, using remaining free cash flow for share repurchases. They believe their share price is undervalued and will buy back shares in the absence of M&A. They are patient in finding the right deals and improving integration and identification of new deals.

Q:Where are we in the CRE transaction market recovery? And how much more room is there to run?

A:Management expects a longer, slower recovery in the sales part of the business, with strong pipelines and pent-up demand from buyers and sellers. The gap between buy/sell expectations has closed significantly, and they anticipate a steady recovery in investment sales over the next couple of years, barring macroeconomic disruptions.

Q:How would you describe the deal activity so far in the fourth quarter? How do pipelines compare to this time last year?

A:Pipelines are strong, with continued activity in leasing and sales through October. Management provided a guidance range up to $6.35 EPS, with expectations to hit the high end if transaction activity continues as expected and development sites are monetized.

Q:Are you appropriately staffed in the Advisory segment? Do you want to hire more people? What's competition like?

A:Management believes they are appropriately staffed but are adding talent where needed. They have capacity in leasing, sales, and mortgage origination teams. They have made significant upgrades to local leasing leadership teams and use technology tools to identify market coverage gaps and manage client interfaces.

Q:Why didn’t you break out Turner & Townsend versus the legacy in the Project Management business? And what are your thoughts on the margin opportunity?

A:Turner & Townsend and legacy operations are now integrated, using Turner & Townsend's operating model. They are integrating financial, HR, and technology platforms, expecting cost synergies next year. The combined capability is recognized in the market, leading to new business wins and opportunities for larger, more complex projects.

Q:Where do you see the biggest avenues for CBRE to grow supporting data centers? Should investors expect monetization around data centers to continue becoming a bigger part of the overall business mix?

A:Data centers are expected to contribute around 10% of earnings this year and more next year. CBRE is building sustainable businesses for the long term, including land investments, project management, brokerage, and operational services. They are forming a digital infrastructure services line of business to support data centers.

Q:What is CBRE doing to create better touch points with occupiers and drive wallet share gains?

A:CBRE is evolving its relationship with occupiers by offering services across all four segments, including facilities management, project management, leasing, and build-to-suit services. They allow clients to buy services individually or bundled, leveraging cross-sell opportunities and unique offerings like Industrious and Turner & Townsend.

Q:Can you talk about your BOE outlook and pipelines? Have things normalized?

A:Pipelines within the BOE segment, especially enterprise, are very strong, with elevated sales volumes expected to show up in revenue in the second half of next year. Management noted normalization and improvement beyond earlier uncertainties.

Q:What is the EPS impact of the data center divestment that might slip into 2026?

A:The EPS range of $6.25 to $6.35 depends on development monetization, with the divestment potentially impacting the top or bottom end of the range.

Q:Was there deal activity that precluded CBRE from buying back stock in the third quarter?

A:Management stated it was not an active decision to avoid buybacks. They believe their share price is undervalued and will buy back shares when cash flow is available, but they cannot comment on M&A pipeline specifics.

Q:What is the ultimate TAM of the facilities management business, and how does CBRE think about its market share globally?

A:CBRE has expanded its TAM through acquisitions like J&J and Direct Line, as well as its data center operations. They believe they are far from reaching the total addressable market and can continue to expand and grow into it.

Q:Do data center development sites have access to power, or is that a constraint?

A:Access to power is a significant constraint for data center development. CBRE secures land, entitlements, and improvements to position sites for utility authorities to provide power, which is critical for hyperscalers and other users.

Q:Is office leasing activity broad-based or concentrated in specific areas?

A:Office leasing activity is broad-based but varies by quarter. Gateway markets like New York and San Francisco showed strong performance in Q3. Management expects broad-based growth and views real estate as a more strategic asset class for companies.

Q:Is the recovery in office leasing being driven by Class A and premier workspaces, or is it becoming more widespread?

A:The recovery started with Class A and premier workspaces but is spreading to lower-class buildings being upgraded and new developments. Secondary and tertiary markets are also seeing growth, with new developments being planned in markets like Dallas and New York.

Q:What drove growth in the industrial sector during the quarter?

A:Growth was driven by big leases in prime buildings and renewals in smaller, second-generation spaces. Management expects vacancy rates to decrease by mid-2024, with strong demand from sophisticated users.

Q:Are you expecting steady full-year EBITDA margins going forward, or is there room for expansion?

A:Advisory margins are near peak levels and expected to be sustained. BOE margins are expanding, with synergies from facilities and property management expected next year. Project Management margins are also expected to improve with cost synergies.

Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses

A:Management avoided providing specifics on the M&A pipeline and the exact EPS impact of the data center divestment. They also used vague language when discussing the ultimate TAM of the facilities management business, providing no concrete figures.

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