Bank of America Corporation (BAC) Q3 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Overview

The earnings call revealed strong financial metrics and optimistic guidance, but the Q&A highlighted some concerns like unspecified efficiency ratio targets and AI savings. Despite positive NII projections and stable credit quality, the lack of detailed guidance and some management evasiveness in responses temper the overall sentiment. Given these mixed signals, the stock price reaction is likely to remain neutral in the short term.

Key Financial Performance

Revenue $28 billion, up 11% year-over-year. Driven by strong operating leverage and diversified business model.

Earnings Per Share (EPS) $1.06, up 31% year-over-year. Reflects strong revenue growth and disciplined expense management.

Net Interest Income (NII) $15.4 billion, a record high, up 9% year-over-year. Supported by strong commercial loan and deposit growth, along with balance sheet positioning.

Investment Banking Fees Exceeded $2 billion, up 43% year-over-year. Driven by increased client activity and market share gains.

Sales & Trading Revenue Grew 8% year-over-year. Marking the 14th consecutive quarter of year-over-year revenue growth.

Asset Management Fees Increased 12% year-over-year. Driven by strong Merrill and Private Bank adviser productivity and growth in fee-based assets.

Consumer Banking After-Tax Earnings $3.4 billion, up 28% year-over-year. Reflects strong revenue growth and disciplined expense management.

Global Wealth and Investment Management Net Income Nearly $1.3 billion, up 19% year-over-year. Driven by strong adviser productivity and growth in fee-based assets.

Deposits Over $2 trillion, up $72 billion year-over-year. Growth in both interest-bearing and noninterest-bearing deposits.

Loan Balances $1.15 trillion, up 9% year-over-year. Driven by 13% commercial loan growth and consumer loan growth across all types.

Net Charge-Offs $1.4 billion, down 10% from the previous quarter. Reflects improved credit card and commercial real estate performance.

Tangible Book Value Per Share $28.39, up 8% year-over-year. Reflects capital build and improved AOCI.

Global Banking Net Income $2.1 billion, up 12% year-over-year. Driven by a 43% increase in investment banking fees and deposit growth.

Global Markets Net Income $1.6 billion, up modestly year-over-year. Supported by strong sales and trading performance.

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Operating Highlights

Digital Engagement: Continued progression in customer-facing activities of Erica, an AI-driven application, which has been successfully handling interactions for years and is now applied across other businesses and employee base.

Market Expansion: Opened 4 new financial centers in Idaho over the past 6 months, complementing existing Merrill team in the local market.

Revenue Growth: Reported revenue of $28 billion, up 11% year-over-year, driven by strong commercial loan and deposit growth.

Efficiency Ratio: Fell below 62%, with operating leverage of 560 basis points.

Net Interest Income: Reached a record $15.4 billion, supported by strong commercial loan and deposit growth.

Expense Management: Held expense growth to 5% year-over-year, with operating leverage of 6%.

Investment Banking: Investment banking fees exceeded $2 billion, up 43% year-over-year, marking the highest non-pandemic fee quarter in the firm's history.

Technology Investments: Continued investments in technology, talent, and client experience, translating into strong financial results.

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Risk or Challenges

Market Conditions: Potential risks from uncertainties in interest rate movements and their impact on net interest income (NII). The company highlighted sensitivity to rate changes, which could affect financial performance.

Regulatory Hurdles: Compliance with regulatory capital requirements, such as CET1 and TLAC ratios, remains a critical focus. Any changes in regulatory expectations could pose challenges.

Economic Uncertainties: Potential economic downturns or changes in consumer behavior could impact loan growth, deposit levels, and credit quality. The company noted improvements in credit card and commercial real estate but remains cautious about future trends.

Strategic Execution Risks: The company is heavily investing in technology, talent, and client experience. Failure to achieve expected returns on these investments could impact financial performance.

Competitive Pressures: The company faces competition in areas like investment banking, wealth management, and consumer banking. Maintaining market share and client relationships is critical.

Supply Chain Disruptions: Although not explicitly mentioned, the reliance on technology and digital platforms suggests potential risks from supply chain or technology disruptions.

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Guidance & Outlook

Net Interest Income (NII) Projections: Bank of America expects fourth quarter NII to be at the higher end of the $15.5 billion to $15.7 billion range, representing approximately 8% growth from Q4 2024. For the full year 2026, NII growth is projected to be similar to 2025 performance, estimated at 5% to 7% growth.

Loan and Deposit Growth: The company anticipates core loan and deposit growth slightly above GDP, with fixed-rate asset repricing contributing to NII improvements. Approximately $10 billion to $15 billion in combined quarterly mortgage-backed securities and mortgage loans are expected to roll off in 2026, replaced with assets yielding 150 to 200 basis points higher.

Expense Management: Q4 2025 expenses are expected to remain roughly in line with Q3 levels. The company continues to manage headcount and organizational structure to balance efficiency and growth.

Investment Banking and Global Markets: Bank of America expects continued investment in market-facing businesses, given their strategic importance and attractive returns. Investment banking fees are projected to remain strong, supported by market share gains and leadership rankings.

Consumer Banking and Wealth Management: The company plans to continue expanding its consumer banking footprint, including new financial centers and digital engagement. Wealth Management is expected to maintain growth in client balances and deepen relationships, supported by strong AUM flows and loan growth.

Credit and Asset Quality: Net charge-offs are expected to remain stable in the near term, with steady consumer delinquency trends and reductions in commercial real estate exposures.

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Shareholder Return Plan

Dividends Paid: $2.1 billion in common dividends were paid during the quarter.

Share Repurchases: $5.3 billion worth of shares were repurchased during the quarter.

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Key Q&A

Q:Why aren't big banks, including yours, talking about AI as a huge efficiency driver for better margins in the years to come?

A:Brian Moynihan explained that AI and applied technology have already been implemented across the organization, leading to significant efficiency gains. He highlighted that the company has reduced headcount from 285,000 to 213,000 over 15 years while increasing customer interactions through AI tools like Erica. However, he emphasized that AI implementation must be done carefully in a regulated environment, and the benefits are already being realized but require time to perfect.

Q:How are you feeling about the environment for capital markets businesses, given the strong results in Sales & Trading, IB, and Wealth?

A:Alastair Borthwick stated that the investment banking pipelines are up double digits, reflecting a good environment for M&A. He noted that Sales & Trading typically experiences seasonal slowdowns in Q4 but remains constructive due to investor repositioning based on rates and policies. Investments in technology and people have supported growth in these areas.

Q:What are you expecting for deposit beta across your various businesses if the Fed continues to lower rates?

A:Alastair Borthwick explained that in the wealth business, deposit beta would fully pass through rate cuts. In Global Banking, pass-throughs would be client-specific but disciplined. He noted that the September rate cut's impact would be reflected in Q4 numbers.

Q:How many quarters of paying down expensive wholesale funding do you expect, and what earning asset growth should we anticipate over the next year?

A:Alastair Borthwick indicated that paying down wholesale funding would continue over the next year, improving net interest yield (NIY) but not significantly impacting net interest income (NII). He estimated a slower balance sheet growth relative to loans and deposits.

Q:Why not reduce your capital buffer further, given that you're well above the 10% minimum?

A:Brian Moynihan stated that the target is to maintain a 50 basis point buffer over regulatory minimums. He noted that the company would continue to work down the buffer through organic growth or capital returns, depending on finalized regulatory rules.

Q:Should we expect your ROTCE to sustain or increase, given the standout quarter with a 15.4% ROTCE?

A:Alastair Borthwick suggested that ROTCE would continue to improve over time, driven by NII growth, organic platform growth, and fixed-rate asset repricing. More details would be provided at the upcoming Investor Day.

Q:How are you managing expenses and efficiency ratios, given inflation and operating leverage?

A:Brian Moynihan emphasized using technology and AI to manage headcount and expenses while increasing productivity. He noted that efficiency ratios vary by business segment and are influenced by revenue mix. The goal is to grow revenue faster than expenses to create operating leverage.

Q:What is your outlook for the efficiency ratio, and how does it align with your business mix?

A:Brian Moynihan stated that the efficiency ratio would improve as revenue grows, particularly in markets-related businesses. He highlighted the importance of managing expenses and headcount effectively while leveraging technology.

Q:How much savings have you realized from AI, and what are the best initiatives?

A:Brian Moynihan explained that AI has already been implemented across the company, with significant savings in areas like coding (10% reduction in coders). He highlighted Erica's 2 million daily customer interactions as an example of AI's impact. More details would be shared at Investor Day.

Q:Is there anything in credit that gives you pause, and are there areas you're avoiding?

A:Alastair Borthwick stated that credit portfolios are performing well, with consumer and commercial charge-offs at low levels. He emphasized the company's responsible growth strategy and noted no significant areas of concern.

Q:How much capacity do you have for commercial loan growth, and how do you view spreads and returns?

A:Alastair Borthwick stated that the company has significant capacity for commercial loan growth, supported by strong relationships, collateral, and structures. He noted that spreads and returns are attractive, with low risk and strong empirical performance.

Q:Why are consumer deposits still elevated compared to pre-pandemic levels?

A:Brian Moynihan explained that the economy's growth and the company's market share gains have contributed to elevated consumer deposits. He highlighted the focus on primary checking accounts and the benefits of low-cost deposits.

Q:How sensitive are you to lower medium- and long-term rates, and what is your medium-term NIM outlook?

A:Alastair Borthwick stated that a 100 basis point drop in rates would impact NII by $2.2 billion, with 80% sensitivity at the short end and 20% at the long end. He reiterated the medium-term NIM outlook of 2.2% or higher, supported by fixed-rate asset repricing and core growth.

Q:What is your guidance for NII and expenses in the near term?

A:Alastair Borthwick guided for NII to be at the higher end of $15.6 billion or more for Q4, with expenses expected to remain flattish due to stable headcount. He noted a constructive environment for capital markets businesses.

Q:What gives you confidence in your commercial loan growth without compromising risk?

A:Alastair Borthwick emphasized the focus on high-quality clients, collateral, and structures. He noted that the portfolio is diversified, investment-grade, and has low loss content, supported by strong relationships and underwriting capabilities.

Q:Can capital markets businesses sustain their results, and how do investment banking and markets interplay?

A:Brian Moynihan highlighted the sustainability of Global Markets' performance, with 14 consecutive quarters of year-over-year revenue growth. He noted that investment banking benefits from a constructive environment and strong client relationships, while markets businesses are less volatile than perceived.

Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses

A:Management avoided providing specific efficiency ratio targets or detailed AI savings figures, instead emphasizing broader trends and ongoing efforts. They also deferred detailed discussions on AI and efficiency improvements to the upcoming Investor Day.

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