Metals Acquisitions Limited (MTAL) Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript
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Overview
The earnings call summary presents a mixed outlook. Financial performance is stable, with consistent copper production and improved cash flow, but market volatility and operational risks are concerns. The equity raise and debt reduction strengthen financial health, yet the Q&A revealed vague responses about strategic opportunities, potentially causing uncertainty. Overall, the positive aspects are balanced by risks, leading to a neutral sentiment.
Key Financial Performance
Copper Production 10,000 tonnes, consistent with previous quarter, maintaining a head grade of 4%.
C1 Cash Cost USD 1.90 per pound, down from previous guidance, indicating a downward trend.
EBITDA Margin 50%, with 77% conversion to cash.
Pro Forma Liquidity USD 226 million, significantly boosted by AUD 150 million equity raise.
Cash Position USD 81 million at end of Q3, after debt repayment.
Free Cash Flow from Operations USD 30 million for Q3, indicating strong cash flow generation.
Senior Debt Reduction Reduced by USD 8.1 million, now at USD 166 million, down 5%.
Interest Paid USD 9 million, with USD 5 million related to high-cost mezzanine debt.
Sustaining CapEx USD 13 million, consistent with previous quarters and guidance.
Development Meters Increased by 64% from Q2, indicating improved operational efficiency.
Processing Cost per Tonne Milled USD 26 per tonne, 18% lower than Q2.
Mining Cost per Tonne 7% lower than previous quarter, driven by higher development meters.
Net Gearing Ratio 16% as of September 30, down from previous levels.
Zinc Mineralization High-grade zinc material identified, expected to be mined separately.
Equity Raise AUD 150 million (USD 103 million) completed post-quarter, aimed at deleveraging.
Copper Recovery Rate 97%-98%, indicating high efficiency in processing.
Total Cash Cost USD 2.70 per pound, consistent with previous quarter.
TC/RC Benchmark Current benchmark at USD 80.8, expected to decrease to around USD 40.4 next year.
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Operating Highlights
Copper Production: Delivered over 10,000 tonnes of copper at a head grade of 4% milled.
Exploration Investment: Spent about USD 2 million in Q3 on exploration activities.
New Ore Body Development: Commenced development of QTS South Upper, expected to produce around 100,000 tonnes of ore at 5-6% copper.
Market Positioning: Post equity raise, pro forma liquidity stands at USD 226 million, enhancing strategic flexibility.
Debt Management: Raised AUD 150 million in equity to retire high-cost mezzanine debt and improve balance sheet.
Operational Efficiency: C1 cash cost came in at USD 1.90 per pound, continuing a downward trend.
EBITDA Margin: Maintained a strong EBITDA margin of about 50% with 77% conversion to cash.
Strategic Goals: Focused on simplifying and deleveraging the balance sheet, with net gearing reduced to 16%.
Future Production Guidance: Guided towards 50,000 tonnes plus of copper production within the next couple of years.
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Risk or Challenges
Production Risks: There are concerns about sustaining the current head grade of 4% copper, especially after a strong Q3 performance. The company has indicated that production may be slightly down in Q4 due to scheduling of stopes.
Debt Management Risks: The company has a high-cost mezzanine debt facility with interest rates ranging from 13% to 17%, which consumes a significant portion of cash flow. The company aims to retire this debt as soon as possible but requires consent from the lender.
Regulatory Risks: The company is in discussions regarding the potential acquisition of a tailings facility owned by the state government, which may involve historical liabilities.
Supply Chain Risks: The company has noted challenges related to the availability of water, which is critical for processing operations. This has been a constraint on production capacity.
Market Risks: Copper prices have shown volatility, and the company is exposed to fluctuations in TC/RC rates, which could impact profitability.
Operational Risks: There are ongoing challenges related to mining practices, including dilution control, which affects the quality of ore extracted. The company is focused on improving operational consistency to mitigate these risks.
Exploration Risks: While exploration activities have shown promise, there is inherent uncertainty in the success of drilling programs and the ability to convert inferred resources into reserves.
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Guidance & Outlook
Pro forma liquidity: As of Q3, the company has a pro forma liquidity of approximately USD 226 million, providing significant optionality for future initiatives.
Equity raise: The company raised AUD 150 million (USD 103 million) in equity, which will be used to retire high-cost mezzanine debt and pursue strategic opportunities.
Debt reduction: The company has reduced its senior debt by USD 8.1 million, with a current senior facility of approximately USD 166 million.
Production guidance: The company is tracking towards a production guidance of around 40,500 tonnes of copper for the year, with expectations for Q4 to be the strongest quarter.
Exploration initiatives: The company is actively drilling in QTS South Upper, which is expected to contribute additional high-grade copper production.
Strategic goals for 2024: The company aims to simplify and deleverage its balance sheet, with a focus on retiring high-cost debt.
Copper production: The company expects to achieve over 50,000 tonnes of copper production within the next couple of years.
C1 cash cost guidance: The company has guided a C1 cash cost of USD 1.90 per pound, continuing a downward trend.
CapEx guidance: The company has guided a total capital expenditure of USD 52 million for the year.
Free cash flow: The company reported a free cash flow from operations of around USD 30 million for Q3.
Debt repayment timeline: The company aims to retire the mezzanine debt by June 16, 2025, at the latest.
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Shareholder Return Plan
Equity Raise: Raised AUD 150 million (USD 103 million) in equity post Q3, aimed at strengthening the balance sheet and providing flexibility for strategic opportunities.
Mezzanine Debt Repayment: Plans to retire the existing $145 million mezzanine debt facility at the earliest practical date, with a backstop date of June 16, 2025.
Pro Forma Liquidity: Ended Q3 with pro forma liquidity of approximately USD 226 million, providing significant optionality for the company.
Net Gearing Ratio: Achieved a pro forma net gearing ratio of around 16% as of September 30.
Cash Flow from Operations: Generated around USD 30 million of free cash flow from operations in Q3.
Interest Payments: Paid approximately USD 9 million in interest over the quarter, with USD 5 million related to the high-cost mezzanine debt.
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Key Q&A
Q:Just a couple of questions. Firstly, just on your development meters. Obviously, the stat that you're mostly talking about is the capital development meters. But in your release, if you add in the operating development meters, the last 2 quarters are still a bit below the prior 2 quarters before that. Is that just the mine plan rather than sort of development limited?
A:Yes. It is mine plan related and partly related to the double lift stope strategy that the team have implemented at site. It actually requires less operating meters per ore tonne.
Q:With regards to QTS Upper, you've mentioned a few times that obviously, it's inferred. It's not included in your guidance and your waterfall chart makes clear the potential for upside to overall capacity from material coming out of there longer term. But in the medium term, once you sort of get out there in, I think it's the back end of next year. Would material from that potentially add to your nearer-term guidance or just displace other material from that sort of 2-, 3-year guidance type figures?
A:No. The benefit of this thing is it's completely additive. We're not mill constrained. And so yes, this would be on top of the current guidance.
Q:There's been a little bit of press around sort of talking about your involvement or otherwise in Neves-Corvo. I wonder if you're in a position at all to say anything about that?
A:Look, I think we’ve been clear that we look at every opportunity. If it’s copper in a decent jurisdiction, we look at everything. I’d say not everything fits our criteria in terms of sort of, value and sometimes things are competitive processes.
Q:Have you initiated discussions with Sprott over the mezz facility change out?
A:Short answer is yes. There's ongoing discussions actually with all the lender group.
Q:Would you think that you do that after the discussions with Sprott and mezz piece are concluded? Or is it a parallel?
A:Well, both is the short answer.
Q:In 2025, simply, is the production growth expected to come from mostly tonnes? So far, the better production, as you highlighted, has come from grade.
A:Similar grade, slightly more tonnes.
Q:Is there any way you can quantify the dilution outcomes you've been experiencing recently versus what you've embedded in the reserves?
A:Yes. We're probably seeing 10% to 15% less dilution than expected.
Q:What is the expected timeline on the cut-offs for drilling and the next resource reserve update?
A:Yes. Like all North American companies, we will aim to get our R&R out towards the end of February.
Q:Just a quick question on TC/RCs. Maybe this is a bit mechanical, but do you guys pay a fixed rate through the year and then that sort of gets reset at the start of every new year with benchmark discussions?
A:Yes. Look, that's actually a very good question. So, we are on a -- as people know, we recut the offtake agreement to a very proper market arm's length offtake.
Q:Just one last question for me, and it's around -- just around the capital raise and the funding, I guess. I was just wondering if you could chat a little bit more about the timing.
A:I think this cash is earmarked for repaying that mezzanine facility.
Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses
A:Management appeared to avoid giving a direct answer regarding their involvement in Neves-Corvo, using vague language about looking at opportunities without providing specifics.
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