Pinnacle West Capital Corporation (PNW) Q3 2025 Earnings Call Transcript
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Overview
The earnings call presented strong financial metrics, with a focus on strategic investments and growth plans, particularly in transmission and natural gas infrastructure. The Q&A session revealed optimism about future projects and subscription models, despite some uncertainty in regulatory outcomes. The company's commitment to clean energy and rate base growth further supports a positive outlook. While there are concerns about equity needs and regulatory outcomes, the overall sentiment is positive, suggesting a stock price increase in the short term.
Key Financial Performance
Earnings per share (EPS) for Q3 2025 $3.39 per share, a modest increase of $0.02 year-over-year. This increase was primarily due to higher transmission revenues and higher sales driven by robust sales growth across customer classes. However, it was partially offset by lower weather-driven sales compared to last year's Q3, higher interest expense, reduced pension and OPEB benefits, and an increase in the outstanding share count.
Weather-normalized sales growth for Q3 2025 5.4%, including 6.6% growth in commercial and industrial (C&I) and 4.3% residential growth. This growth was supported by the continued ramp-up of large load customers and robust residential sales.
Year-to-date residential sales growth 2%, exceeding expectations and fueled by continued customer growth to the top end of the range of 2% to 2.5% for the year.
Operating and Maintenance (O&M) forecast for 2025 Increased to a range of $1.025 billion to $1.045 billion, reflecting the ability to derisk future operating expenses.
Capital plan through 2028 Updated to include critical strategic investments in transmission and generation, driving rate base growth of 7% to 9% through 2028, an increase from prior guidance of 6% to 8% through 2027.
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Operating Highlights
Desert Sun Power Plant: A new generation site near Gila Bend, southwest of Phoenix, which could add up to 2,000 megawatts of reliable and affordable natural gas generation. Phase 1 is expected to serve customers by late 2030, and Phase 2 will support new demand from high load factor customers.
Arizona's economic growth: Arizona's population growth remains robust, driven by major employers expanding operations and attracting skilled labor. SEMICON West was hosted in Phoenix, and Maricopa County was named the top county for economic development in 2025.
Semiconductor industry expansion: Taiwan Semiconductor is accelerating production of 2-nanometer wafers and acquiring a second location in Phoenix. Amkor Technology increased its investment to $7 billion for a new semiconductor facility, with production starting in early 2028.
Operational reliability: Palo Verde Generating Station operated at 100% capacity during the summer, ensuring reliability despite extreme weather conditions. Investments in transmission projects are enhancing reliability and resiliency.
Sales growth: Weather-normalized sales growth of 5.4% in Q3 2025, with residential sales growth of 4.3% and C&I growth of 6.6%. Customer growth guidance was narrowed to the high end of 2% to 2.5% for the year.
Long-term investments: Updated capital plan through 2028 includes strategic investments in transmission and generation, driving rate base growth of 7% to 9%. Financing strategy includes a balanced mix of debt and equity.
Regulatory engagement: Actively engaged in a pending rate case, aiming for a hearing in Q2 2026 to address regulatory lag and ensure affordability for customers.
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Risk or Challenges
Regulatory Lag: The company acknowledges that regulatory lag will continue to be a factor in 2026, which could impact the timing of cost recovery and financial performance.
Higher Financing Costs: The company anticipates higher financing costs in 2026 due to increased debt and equity needs to support capital investments, which could pressure financial performance.
Pending Rate Case: The company is actively engaged in a pending rate case, with a hearing scheduled for Q2 2026. The outcome of this case could impact customer affordability and the company's ability to recover costs.
Operational Challenges: The company faced operational challenges during the summer season, including storms, flooding, and extreme heat, which required significant effort to maintain reliability.
Economic and Population Growth: While economic and population growth in Arizona is robust, it drives increased demand for infrastructure investments in transmission and generation, which could strain resources and require careful financial planning.
Weather Variability: Lower weather-driven sales in Q3 2025 compared to the previous year highlight the impact of weather variability on financial performance.
O&M Cost Management: The company is focused on reducing O&M costs per megawatt hour, but achieving this goal amidst customer growth and infrastructure demands could be challenging.
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Guidance & Outlook
2025 Earnings Guidance: Revised upwards to a range of $4.90 to $5.10 per share, reflecting strong sales growth, increased transmission revenues, and contributions from El Dorado.
2026 Earnings Outlook: Anticipated earnings per share of $4.55 to $4.75, with a year-over-year decrease due to normal weather projections and higher financing and D&A costs.
Customer Growth: 2025 customer growth guidance narrowed to the high end of 2% to 2.5%. For 2026, customer growth is expected at 1.5% to 2.5%, supported by Arizona's population and business expansion.
Sales Growth: Weather-normalized sales growth expected at 4% to 6% in 2026. Long-term sales growth guidance raised to 5% to 7% and extended through 2030.
Capital Investments: Updated capital plan through 2028 includes strategic investments in transmission and generation, driving rate base growth of 7% to 9% through 2028.
Financing Strategy: Balanced mix of debt and equity planned for 2026-2028, with $1 billion to $1.2 billion of Pinnacle West equity forecasted through 2028.
O&M Efficiency: 2026 outlook reflects a slight year-over-year decrease in O&M costs despite customer growth, with a focus on reducing O&M per megawatt hour over the long term.
Long-term EPS Growth: Affirmed at 5% to 7% based on the midpoint of the original 2024 guidance range.
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Key Q&A
Q:How are you thinking about giving visibility on '29 and '30, especially regarding the gas build and pipeline sequencing?
A:The pipeline is expected to be in service in 2029, and the first phase of generation capacity projects, including Desert Sun, is expected to be in service by 2030. The company is confident in meeting these timelines, with key equipment secured and land interconnection in place. The second phase will serve subscription customers with 1.2 gigawatts, aligning with their ramp rates.
Q:How is progress going on the subscription part, specifically the 1.2 gigawatt opportunity?
A:Active dialogue is ongoing with counterparties to align their desired in-service timing with the second phase of Desert Sun and the new pipeline. The subscription model has been well received, and the company is optimistic about deploying it to serve the 20-gigawatt queue while maintaining affordability.
Q:Is the $0.55 bump in transmission for 2026 sustainable?
A:The $0.55 bump reflects the trend of investing in FERC-regulated transmission business. It is a natural reflection of the capital plan and the formula rate structure, converting investments into annual earnings opportunities.
Q:What is the true incremental equity need for 2026-2028, and how should we think about the cadence of issuing equity?
A:The incremental equity need for 2026-2028 is $1 billion to $1.2 billion. The company plans to use an ATM to time equity issuance with CapEx needs. Efforts to mitigate equity needs include reducing regulatory lag, improving retained earnings, and securing upfront cash from large load customers.
Q:What are the assumptions on annual transmission CapEx post-2028, and what drives the $6 billion plus through 2034?
A:Post-2028, annual transmission CapEx includes a baseline of $300-$400 million for core projects, with increments for strategic projects. The $6 billion plus reflects a long runway of high-voltage line projects and strategic transmission investments.
Q:Can the 7%-9% rate base growth extend beyond 2028, and what are the key drivers?
A:The company is confident in extending the 7%-9% rate base growth beyond 2028, driven by large projects like Redhawk and Desert Sun, as well as strategic transmission investments and higher sales growth from large load customers.
Q:What might be the new base for the 5%-7% growth rate outlook, and will the plan roll forward after the rate case?
A:The rate case will determine the new base for the 5%-7% growth rate. The company aims to make the growth rate more evergreen, reducing regulatory lag and providing stability for earnings growth.
Q:What is the megawatt pipeline around hyperscalers, and how do you think about capacity versus generation needs?
A:The company has 4.5 gigawatts of committed demand, including industrial growth, data centers, and residential growth. It plans to continuously offer capacity to address the 20-gigawatt uncommitted queue, starting with the 1.2-gigawatt tranche.
Q:Is there any contribution from the rate case in the 2026 guidance?
A:No, the 2026 guidance does not assume any contribution from the rate case. Updates will be provided after the case concludes.
Q:Can you elaborate on the 4.5 gigawatts of committed customers and its breakdown?
A:The 4.5 gigawatts include industrial growth (e.g., chip manufacturing), data centers, and residential/small business growth. All investments go into the rate base, with the subscription model ensuring growth pays for growth.
Q:What is driving the year-over-year change in sales growth as an EPS driver for 2025 and 2026?
A:The difference in EPS contribution is due to variability in large load customer ramp rates. Residential and small business growth remains stable, and the company is confident in long-term sales growth.
Q:Does the $0.55 benefit from transmission spending scale linearly with increased spending?
A:Over time, the benefit should be proportionate to investment. However, larger projects may cause lumpiness in earnings due to longer lead times and phased energization.
Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses
A:Management avoided providing specific details on the dollar increase from the rate case for 2026, stating that updates would be provided after the case concludes. Additionally, they did not specify the exact annual transmission CapEx post-2028, citing variability in project timelines and development.
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