Pentair plc (PNR) Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Overview

The earnings call reflects a mixed sentiment. While there are positive elements like transformation savings, operational efficiencies, and a stable guidance for 2025, there are also concerns about demand softness, price impacts, and cautious Q3 outlook. The Q&A section highlighted uncertainties regarding tariffs and pool build cycles, which temper optimism. Overall, the lack of strong positive catalysts and the presence of uncertainties lead to a neutral sentiment.

Key Financial Performance

Sales Sales increased 2% year-over-year to $1.1 billion. This growth was driven by a 9% increase in Pool sales, offset by a 1% decline in Flow sales and a 3% decline in Water Solutions sales. The growth in Pool sales was attributed to price, volume, and the Q4 2024 Gulfstream acquisition.

Adjusted Operating Income Adjusted operating income increased 9% year-over-year to $297 million. This was driven by transformation initiatives and pricing strategies, which contributed to significant margin expansion.

Return on Sales (ROS) ROS expanded by 170 basis points year-over-year to 26.4%. This improvement was primarily driven by transformation initiatives and pricing strategies.

Adjusted EPS Adjusted EPS rose 14% year-over-year to $1.39. This increase was attributed to transformation savings and pricing strategies.

Free Cash Flow Free cash flow reached a record $596 million, up 14% year-over-year. This was driven by strong operational performance and transformation savings.

Flow Segment Income Flow segment income grew 10% year-over-year, with ROS expanding by 210 basis points to 23.4%. This was due to transformation initiatives, improved go-to-market strategies, and a focus on complexity reduction.

Water Solutions Sales Water Solutions sales declined 4% year-over-year to $298 million. This was driven by lower volume, partially offset by higher prices. The decline was attributed to softer end markets within foodservice and a sluggish U.S. housing market.

Pool Segment Income Pool segment income increased 14% year-over-year to $153 million, with ROS increasing by 160 basis points to 35.7%. This growth was driven by price, transformation initiatives, and the Q4 2024 Gulfstream acquisition.

Net Debt Leverage Ratio Net debt leverage ratio decreased to 1.2x from 1.6x a year ago, reflecting strong free cash flow and disciplined capital allocation.

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Operating Highlights

HOPE Hydration investment: Pentair made an incremental investment in HOPE Hydration, a start-up focused on delivering free water through digitally connected water refill hydro stations. These stations use Pentair's Everpure technology to provide high-quality, chilled drinking water in cities, stadiums, airports, and commercial spaces.

Pool sales growth: Pool sales increased by 9% in Q2 2025, driven by price, volume, and the Q4 2024 Gulfstream acquisition.

Transformation savings: Since 2023, Pentair has achieved over $200 million in transformation savings, including $44 million in the first half of 2025. The company is on track to deliver $80 million in savings for 2025 and expects further savings in 2026.

Operational efficiency: Pentair achieved record free cash flow of $596 million in Q2 2025, up 14% year-over-year. Adjusted operating income increased by 9%, and return on sales expanded by 170 basis points to 26.4%.

Divestiture of commercial services business: Pentair strategically divested its small commercial services business to focus on higher-margin filtration and ICE businesses.

80/20 transformation initiative: Pentair is accelerating its 80/20 transformation initiative to drive long-term shareholder value and expects continued margin opportunities beyond 2026.

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Risk or Challenges

Residential End Market Challenges: Higher interest rates continue to pressure residential end markets, leading to a 1% decline in residential sales within the Flow segment and a 6% decline in residential sales within the Water Solutions segment. The sluggish U.S. housing market is a contributing factor.

Tariff Impacts: Inflation included approximately $15 million of tariff impact in Q2, with an updated 2025 tariff impact estimate of $75 million for the full year. Additional tariffs related to copper and other materials could add $10 million in costs if implemented.

Volume Declines: Lower volume contributed to a 4% decline in Water Solutions sales and impacted overall performance in certain segments.

Macroeconomic and Geopolitical Uncertainty: The company remains agile in response to a rapidly changing macroeconomic and geopolitical environment, which poses risks to operations and strategic execution.

Softer Commercial End Markets: Commercial sales within Water Solutions were down 3%, largely driven by softer end markets within foodservice.

Portfolio Adjustments: The strategic divestiture of a small commercial services business may lead to short-term revenue headwinds, despite being aimed at improving long-term growth and profitability.

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Guidance & Outlook

Full Year 2025 Sales Growth: Expected to grow approximately 1% to 2%.

Full Year 2025 Adjusted EPS: Expected to be approximately $4.75 to $4.85, up 11% at the midpoint versus full year 2024.

Transformation Savings: Expected to deliver approximately $80 million in 2025, net of investments, with additional savings in 2026 to achieve a ROS target of 26% by 2026 year-end.

Residential End Market Recovery: Believed to improve with lower interest rates, positioning Pentair to leverage higher demand when recovery occurs.

Third Quarter 2025 Sales: Expected to be approximately flat to up 1%.

Third Quarter 2025 Adjusted EPS: Guidance set at approximately $1.16 to $1.20, up roughly 6% to 10%.

Third Quarter 2025 Adjusted Operating Income: Expected to increase approximately 4% to 7%.

Segment-Specific Sales Guidance for Full Year 2025: Flow sales expected to be up low single digits, Water Solutions down mid-single digits with core sales approximately flat, and Pool sales up approximately 6% to 7%.

Tariff Impact for 2025: Updated to approximately $75 million for the full year, with $15 million in Q2 and an estimated $60 million in the second half of 2025. Additional $10 million in tariffs related to copper and other factors could take effect on August 1, but mitigating actions are planned.

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Shareholder Return Plan

Share Repurchase: We also delivered record free cash flow and repurchased $75 million of shares in Q2. Driven by continued confidence in our ability to execute, we have increased our full year '25 guidance. Year-to-date, we have repurchased $125 million of shares. Over the last 2 years, we have generated significant free cash flow, which has enabled us to strategically deploy capital via debt paydown, dividend, share repurchases and strategic acquisitions. We plan to remain disciplined with our capital and have additional flexibility to strategically allocate additional capital to areas with the highest shareholder returns.

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Key Q&A

Q:Could you talk about what you're seeing in pool in terms of unit volumes and sensitivity to higher prices? Where is the improvement coming from?

A:Management noted that new pool builds are expected to be modestly down, and remodels are being deferred. Customers are extending product life by purchasing spare parts and repair kits. The industry has seen a 15% price increase over the trailing 12 months, which is impacting demand. Volume is flattish to slightly down, and the guidance has been adjusted accordingly.

Q:How are you thinking about price versus cost for the year, especially with the changes in tariff costs?

A:Management explained that the tariff impact was initially estimated at $140 million but is now closer to $75 million, resulting in a $65 million benefit. They also reduced pricing by $50 million, leading to a net $15 million benefit, which has been reflected in the guidance.

Q:Is the price reflected in the numbers today fully capturing what you’ve put through?

A:Management confirmed that the price reflected in Q2 does not fully capture the run rate of what was implemented in May and June. There will be more price realization in Q3 and Q4, with slightly more in Q4.

Q:How are you thinking about seasonality in the fourth quarter?

A:Management expressed caution for Q3 but anticipates Q4 to focus more on positioning for the 2026 pool year. They are hopeful for interest rate reductions, which could stimulate investment.

Q:Can you delineate how much of the pool guidance increase is driven by price versus demand?

A:The 6%-7% pool guidance increase includes approximately 5% from price, a couple of points from an acquisition, and slightly down volume due to lower new pool demand, remodels, and softer aftermarket.

Q:What are your early reads on the pool build cycle for next year if the macro environment persists?

A:Management anticipates sluggish volume trends and plans to focus on growing content per pad through new product introductions, sales campaigns, and dealer education. They noted that current pool build levels are similar to post-2008 financial crisis levels.

Q:What is the environment like for longer-cycle, CapEx-driven businesses in Flow?

A:Management observed a slowdown in order books and quoting activity in Q4 of last year and Q1 of this year but saw a pickup in Q2. They are optimistic about longer-cycle businesses and expect mid-single-digit growth in Q3 and low single-digit growth for the full year.

Q:What are the moving parts in the EBITDA guide given the unchanged $1.1 billion target?

A:The $0.07 increase in guidance includes $0.05 from business performance (approximately $10 million) and $0.02 from lower interest expense due to strong free cash flow.

Q:What is driving the confidence in the Water Solutions segment’s back-half acceleration?

A:Management expects residential water treatment to stabilize after Q3 portfolio rationalization. Commercial water, excluding services, is expected to grow low to mid-single digits in the back half as the ice and filtration business recovers.

Q:Why did you decide to divest KBI, and how does it impact the Manitowoc Ice business?

A:KBI was sold due to changing dynamics, including labor inflation and low-density routes. The divestiture allows focus on higher-margin filtration and ice businesses. Management believes the Manitowoc Ice and Everpure brands remain strong and well-positioned.

Q:How are you thinking about tariffs and their impact on supply chain decisions?

A:Management noted that tariff uncertainty has paused some supply chain decisions. They are focused on local-for-local strategies and are working through qualification and testing processes to optimize the footprint.

Q:What is the outlook for pool pricing and its impact on demand?

A:Management hopes for price normalization to 1%-2% annual increases reflecting general inflation. They are monitoring the impact of high prices on demand and the potential for lower-priced foreign products entering the market.

Q:What is the impact of transformation savings on the business?

A:Transformation savings totaled $44 million in the first half, with $36 million expected in the second half. Savings are driven by sourcing efficiencies and factory optimizations, with investments in R&D and digital initiatives.

Q:What is the outlook for free cash flow and its drivers?

A:Free cash flow was strong due to record sales and income, as well as improvements in DSO and inventory management. Management expects continued strong cash flow performance.

Q:Are there any other divestitures being contemplated?

A:Management stated that no other divestitures are pending, and they believe most product lines can be successfully run within the portfolio.

Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses

A:Management avoided providing a clear answer on the early reads for the 2026 pool build cycle, stating that it is too early to call. They also used vague language when discussing the potential impact of tariffs on supply chain decisions, noting that clarity is needed before accelerating long-term strategies.

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