LSB Industries, Inc. (LXU) Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Overview

The earnings call summary indicates strong financial performance with increased sales volumes and lower costs. The company's CapEx and share repurchase plans are favorable, suggesting confidence in growth and shareholder value. The Q&A section reveals some uncertainties, but overall sentiment remains positive. The company's balance sheet is derisked, and there is potential for increased prices due to tariffs. Despite some vague responses, the overall outlook is optimistic, with investments in reliability and capacity expansion. The lack of market cap data limits precise prediction, but the sentiment leans towards a positive stock price movement.

Key Financial Performance

Adjusted EBITDA $38 million, up from $25 million year-over-year, an increase of $13 million. The increase was driven by stronger sales volumes from improvements in plant reliability, higher ammonia prices, and lower natural gas costs, despite a $7 million impact from a planned turnaround.

CapEx $92 million for the full year 2024, with approximately $25 million targeted towards growth. This reflects significant investments in the reliability of facilities and capacity expansion.

Leverage Ratio Below target level for a mid-cycle pricing environment, indicating a derisked balance sheet after repurchasing approximately $222 million in principal amount of senior secured notes.

Share Repurchase Approximately 4.6 million shares repurchased, returning capital to stockholders.

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Operating Highlights

UAN Production: Daily production rates for urea and UAN at their highest levels on record.

Nitric Acid Production: Strong production and sales volume increases in nitric acid operations.

Low-Carbon Ammonium Nitrate: First offtake customer announced for low-carbon ammonium nitrate solution.

Industrial Market Demand: Healthy demand from primary industrial end markets, with increased production volumes.

Copper and Gold Prices: Strong copper production and pricing, with gold prices at record highs.

Housing Market: New housing starts picked up to their highest level since early 2024.

Turnaround Completion: Completed a turnaround of the ammonia plant at Cherokee facility, expected to increase production volumes in 2025.

Safety Record: Cherokee site finished 2024 with 0 recordable injuries for the year.

CapEx Investment: Invested $92 million in CapEx for 2024, with $25 million targeted towards growth.

Production Strategy: Shift towards higher-margin downstream products, with expected increase in ammonia production.

Low-Carbon Projects: Continuing development of low-carbon ammonia projects, with focus on EPA permit process.

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Risk or Challenges

Competitive Pressures: The company faces competitive pressures from U.S. ammonia producers who have a material advantage over European producers due to lower natural gas prices in the U.S. However, European natural gas prices are significantly higher, impacting their production costs.

Regulatory Issues: The approval of the EPA’s Class 6 permit application is a key gating item for the El Dorado CCS project. Delays in this approval process could impact project timelines and associated revenues.

Supply Chain Challenges: Potential broad-based tariffs on imports from Canada and Mexico could impact U.S. nitrogen imports, affecting pricing in both agricultural and industrial markets. Additionally, retaliatory tariffs from India may affect U.S. exports.

Economic Factors: High interest rates are affecting housing starts, although there has been a recent uptick in new housing starts. Economic uncertainty is also influencing gold prices, which could impact demand for related products.

Production Capacity Constraints: The company is experiencing constraints in production capacity, particularly in the nitric acid business, which limits growth opportunities despite stable demand.

Investment Risks: The company has made significant investments in reliability and capacity expansion, with a CapEx of $92 million in 2024. There is a risk that these investments may not yield the expected returns.

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Guidance & Outlook

Adjusted EBITDA: Adjusted EBITDA was $38 million for Q4 2024, a significant improvement from $25 million in Q4 2023, despite a planned turnaround.

Production Improvements: Expect increased production volumes in 2025 due to completed turnarounds at Cherokee and Pryor facilities.

Margin Enhancement Projects: Completed projects to expand urea capacity and increase nitric acid storage, expected to yield incremental EBITDA in 2025.

Low-Carbon Ammonia Projects: Continuing development of low-carbon ammonia projects, with first CO2 injections expected in late 2026.

Efficiency Initiatives: Focus on driving efficiencies and profit optimization to enhance profitability in 2025.

2025 CapEx: Expected CapEx of $80 million to $90 million in 2025, with $60 million to $65 million for reliability and $20 million to $25 million for growth.

Production Expectations: Ammonia production expected to increase in 2025, offsetting a planned 30-day turnaround at El Dorado.

Sales Volume Outlook: Expect a volume uplift for the full year 2025, with a focus on higher-margin downstream products.

Effective Tax Rate: Expected effective tax rate of approximately 25% for 2025, with minimal cash tax liability due to NOLs.

Natural Gas Prices: Expect higher natural gas prices in 2025 compared to 2024, averaging approximately $3.85 per MMBtu.

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Shareholder Return Plan

Share Repurchase: Repurchased approximately 4.6 million shares of stock.

Debt Repurchase: Repurchased approximately $222 million in principal amount of senior secured notes.

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Key Q&A

Q:Mark, you mentioned a $600 price for low carbon as may be the key price for customers. Why is that the right price for them? What’s the implications underpinning that price?

A:Well, I don’t know if it’s the right price for them. I mean they have got to deal with their own customers and what they think that they can pay. But just from our information out in the marketplace from all the conversations we have had, there has been a lot of talk about price benefit in the marketplace, and we are pretty confident now saying that we have got to be under $600 a ton FOB to really transact.

Q:Could you frame the potential opportunity for U.S. based producers if those tariffs come into place?

A:Yes, I think there is probably some opportunity there on the different molecules. Canada exports – is a net exporter of ammonia to the U.S. I think it’s going to be difficult for them to find a home for that product outside of the U.S. So, that would – should likely increase prices here as they either seek to pass it on.

Q:How are you kind of thinking about the Houston Ship Channel project in the context of the economics of the project?

A:So, I think we have been pretty public on we are not going to build a plant and hope they come. The key really is conversations with potential off-takers to understand at what price point could we transact for stated volumes, long-term contracts.

Q:How do you kind of see the pathway from here forward to kind of drive more volumes out of the system there over the next couple of years?

A:That 87%, I think is low just because we have got a large turnaround at our El Dorado facility this year. We have been running sort of between 90% and 92% ex planned activities.

Q:Is that being driven by the increased sort of upgrade product usage, or is something else kind of driving the change there?

A:Yes. The main change there is just updating it to include both the processed gas and the fuel gas.

Q:After the El Dorado turnaround in the second half of this year, how should we think about turnarounds in ‘26, ‘27?

A:Generally speaking, we want to be on a 3-year to 4-year full turnaround schedule.

Q:Are you seeing people move a little bit downstream and you are seeing additional UAN or UA capacity coming online in North America or elsewhere?

A:No, not really. Most of the talk and focus has really been on low-carbon ammonia.

Q:Can I just understand a little bit more on the $600 per ton number?

A:I think that’s a level that we think we could get the appropriate off-take to make us comfortable to move forward on a project would be a price of $600 – of less than $600 a ton.

Q:Has there been any change in the EPA's capacity to process permits?

A:No, we haven’t seen that. We are still having ongoing conversations with them.

Q:Why is the U.S. Midwest and Southern Plains benchmark prices not quite keeping up with NOLA or with urea in general?

A:What you are seeing is some changes in the supply and demand balance here in the U.S.

Q:Could you just discuss if you are seeing any updates on European legislation coming down the pipe?

A:There is a lot of talk about that shifting policy and a lot of it has to do with the election results in Europe.

Q:Are you seeing customers becoming less interested in participating in 2030 carbon reduction goals?

A:I think the catalyst is when you really cut down to it all, what’s the financial impact to people and what does that do to their business.

Q:Was the stronger fourth quarter AN sales volumes a function of reliability increasing capacity, or are you actually shifting downstream production in that direction just due to the strong demand?

A:Yes, it’s probably a bit of both.

Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses

A:Management appeared to avoid giving a direct answer to the question regarding the implications of the $600 price point for customers, stating that it depends on their own customers' perspectives. Additionally, there was a lack of clarity in the response about the potential opportunity for U.S. producers regarding Canadian tariffs, as the answer was somewhat vague and did not provide specific details.

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