Cumulus Media Inc. (CMLS) Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript
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Overview
The earnings call reveals challenges: a 6.4% revenue decline, advertising pullbacks, and significant debt. Despite positive digital growth and cost reductions, macroeconomic pressures and economic uncertainties persist. The Q&A section highlights unclear management responses and market weakness, further impacting sentiment. A lack of share repurchase program and no new partnerships or optimistic guidance adjustments contribute to a negative outlook, likely leading to a stock price decline of -2% to -8%.
Key Financial Performance
Total Revenue $X million, down 6.4% year-over-year, primarily due to a pullback in advertising spending across key categories such as automotive, retail, and CPG.
EBITDA $3.5 million, reflecting ongoing cost reduction efforts despite the challenging macro environment.
Digital Revenue Up 6% year-over-year, or up 20% excluding the impact of the Daily Wire relationship, indicating strong growth in digital segments.
DMS Revenue Up 30% year-over-year, driven by a 41% increase in total customers and a 16% increase in average campaign order size.
Total Expenses Decreased by approximately $8 million year-over-year, reflecting ongoing cost reduction efforts.
Cash on Hand $53 million, indicating strong liquidity position.
Debt at Maturity $642 million, with net debt of $589 million after accounting for principal debt reduction.
CapEx $5.5 million for Q1, with an expected full year CapEx of $22.5 million.
Fixed Cost Reductions Executed an additional $7.5 million of annualized fixed cost reductions, adding to the $163 million of reductions since 2019.
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Operating Highlights
Digital Marketing Services (DMS) Revenue Growth: DMS revenue was up 30% in Q1, driven by a 41% increase in total customers and a 16% increase in average campaign order size.
Podcasting Revenue Performance: Podcasting revenue was up close to 40% excluding the negative comp from Daily Wire, but down 13% when including it.
Streaming Revenue Growth: Streaming revenue was up 4% during the quarter.
Expansion of Beyond Home Market Business: Beyond Home market business was up 48% in the quarter, following fourth quarter growth of 45%.
Partnership with Major Tech Platform: A small partnership was created with a major tech platform to leverage AI for automated content creation from the audio library.
Cost Reductions: Executed $7.5 million of additional annualized net fixed cost reductions, adding to $163 million of reductions since 2019.
AI Implementation: AI is being deployed across various functions, including sales and customer service, to improve efficiency.
Focus on Digital Businesses: Continued focus on digital marketing services, which is expected to grow from a $70 million run rate to over $100 million by the end of next year.
Local Programming Emphasis: Emphasis on live and local programming is driving ratings and revenue, outperforming competitors in markets with higher local content.
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Risk or Challenges
Macroeconomic Environment: The macro environment has become more challenging, with supply chain concerns, inflation pressures, and worsening consumer sentiment impacting advertising spending.
Tariffs and Government Spending Cuts: The imposition of sweeping tariffs and ongoing government spending cuts have negatively affected consumer demand and advertising budgets.
Advertising Pullback: There has been a pullback in advertising spending across key categories such as automotive, retail, and consumer packaged goods (CPG), affecting both local and national advertising.
Economic Uncertainty: Ongoing economic uncertainty is impacting advertising clients, with pacing down approximately 10% overall.
Digital Business Challenges: Despite growth in digital businesses, the loss of the Daily Wire relationship has created negative comp challenges, affecting overall revenue.
Debt Levels: The company has a significant debt level of $642 million at maturity, which poses a financial risk.
Cost Management: While the company has successfully reduced fixed costs by $7.5 million in the quarter, ongoing economic challenges necessitate continued focus on cost efficiencies.
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Guidance & Outlook
Digital Marketing Services (DMS) Growth: DMS revenue was up 30% in Q1, with expectations to grow from a current run rate of nearly $70 million to over $100 million by the end of next year.
Cost Reductions: Executed $7.5 million of additional annualized net fixed cost reductions, totaling $163 million since 2019.
AI Implementation: Exploring numerous ways to use AI across various functions, including sales and customer service.
Broadcast Business Strategy: Expansion of Beyond Home market business, which was up 48% in the quarter.
Revenue Pacing: Currently pacing down approximately 10%, or 5% excluding political and Daily Wire impacts.
CapEx Guidance: Full year CapEx expected to be $22.5 million.
EBITDA: EBITDA for the quarter was $3.5 million.
Digital Revenue Growth: Digital revenue grew 6% in total or 20% excluding the Daily Wire impact.
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Shareholder Return Plan
Share Repurchase Program: None
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Key Q&A
Q:Were there any programs or content that you had last year that you didn't have this year in the first quarter? What were the significant drivers of the decline in network for this particular quarter?
A:Our program really didn't significantly change in the network in the first quarter. The decline is driven by general weakness in the general market demand, despite our sports properties performing well.
Q:Can you give us a sense of month-by-month how the revenues performed both on the spot and on the network side?
A:We were pacing down mid-single-digits but ended up down slightly over 6%. Advertisers are placing orders much later in the quarter.
Q:What are your thoughts on how deregulation might play out and how this might affect you?
A:We are optimistic about FCC deregulation, pending the confirmation of the fifth FCC commissioner. We expect a notice of proposed rulemaking addressing the cap by late summer and fall.
Q:Can you give us an update on the prospect of asset sales?
A:In the first quarter, we did a couple of small asset sales of land, totaling just under $1 million. We are cautiously optimistic about selling a piece of land in Nashville this year, aiming for $10 million to $15 million in proceeds from asset sales.
Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses
A:Management did not provide a clear month-by-month breakdown of revenue performance, and the response regarding the impact of deregulation lacked specific details on how it would affect the company.
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