Nuveen Churchill Direct Lending Corp. (NCDL) Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript
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Overview
The earnings call reveals mixed sentiments. While the net investment income exceeded distributions and the share repurchase program positively impacted NAV, there are concerns about increased management fees and reduced gross originations. The Q&A section highlights robust deal flow and high-quality opportunities, but management's lack of commitment to a new share repurchase program and the decline in financial metrics temper optimism. Overall, the positive elements are balanced by uncertainties, leading to a neutral prediction.
Key Financial Performance
Net Investment Income $0.46 per share during the second quarter, compared to $0.53 per share in the first quarter of 2025. The decrease was due to the expiration of the incentive fee waiver and a modest step-up in the management fee.
Gross Originations $48 million in the second quarter, compared to $166 million in the first quarter of 2025. The decline was intentional to reduce leverage and due to global trade policy changes causing market volatility.
Net Asset Value (NAV) $17.92 per share at June 30, compared to $17.96 per share at March 31. The slight decline was due to modest valuation declines in watch list names, partially offset by the share repurchase program.
Total Investment Income $53.1 million in the second quarter, compared to $53.6 million in the first quarter of 2025. The decrease was driven by a modest decline in the investment portfolio due to intentional leverage reduction.
Total Portfolio Fair Value $2 billion at the end of the second quarter, down from $2.1 billion at the end of the first quarter of 2025. The reduction was due to repayments and sales of investments.
Nonaccruals 0.2% of the total investment portfolio on a fair value basis and 0.4% on a cost basis as of June 30, compared to 0.4% and 1% respectively as of March 31. The improvement was due to one investment coming off nonaccrual following a restructuring.
Debt-to-Equity Ratio 1.26x at June 30, compared to 1.31x at March 31. The decline was due to repayments and intentional leverage reduction.
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Operating Highlights
Net investment income: Reported at $0.46 per share for Q2 2025, exceeding the regular quarterly distribution of $0.45 per share.
Gross originations: Totaled approximately $48 million in Q2 2025, down from $166 million in Q1 2025 due to intentional leverage reduction and market volatility.
Portfolio composition: Focused on senior lending, with 95% of Q2 origination activity in senior loans. First lien debt represents 90% of the portfolio's fair value.
Market volatility impact: Global trade policy changes caused market volatility, slowing transaction volume in April and May. However, market sentiment rebounded by June.
Investment activity: Churchill closed or committed $6.5 billion across 190+ transactions in H1 2025, with a rebound in deal flow by June.
Leverage reduction: Intentional reduction in leverage brought debt-to-equity ratio to 1.26x as of June 30, 2025, down from 1.31x at March 31, 2025.
Portfolio diversification: Maintained a highly diversified portfolio with 207 companies, with the top 10 companies representing only 13.6% of total fair value.
Credit quality: Portfolio credit quality remains strong with only one nonaccrual investment (0.2% of fair value). Weighted average internal risk rating is 4.1.
Share repurchase program: Completed a $100 million share repurchase program, repurchasing 5.9 million shares at a discount to NAV.
Focus on middle market: Continued focus on traditional middle market companies with $10 million to $100 million EBITDA, emphasizing risk-adjusted returns and portfolio diversification.
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Risk or Challenges
Market Volatility and Global Trade Policy: The second quarter began with increased market volatility and uncertainty regarding global trade policy, which led to a temporary pause in transaction activity and slowed deal flow in April and early May.
Valuation Declines in Watch List Names: There were modest valuation declines in some watch list names, contributing to a slight decline in net asset value.
Geopolitical Uncertainty: Ongoing geopolitical uncertainty is expected to persist, requiring disciplined underwriting and proactive portfolio management.
Interest Rate Environment: The elevated interest rate environment necessitates a conservative approach to structuring and underwriting new transactions.
Leverage Reduction: Intentional reduction in leverage to bring it back within the target range may limit growth opportunities in the short term.
Nonaccrual Investments: Although nonaccruals are low, the presence of one investment on nonaccrual status highlights potential credit risks.
Management Fee Increase: The expiration of the incentive fee waiver and the step-up in management fees could impact net investment income.
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Guidance & Outlook
Investment Pipeline and Market Positioning: The company anticipates positive momentum in the second half of 2025, with a healthy and strong investment pipeline. It plans to focus on maintaining underwriting discipline, selectively investing in high-quality companies, and proactively managing its current investment portfolio. The company aims to build upon its competitive advantages to source high-quality investments in resilient, service-oriented sectors with minimal tariff exposure in the core middle market.
Portfolio Allocation and Leverage: NCDL plans to continue focusing on senior lending, with 85%-90% of the portfolio allocated to senior loans and the balance to junior debt and equity. The company aims to maintain leverage towards the upper end of its target range of 1 to 1.25x debt to equity, redeploying capital received from repayments into traditional middle market transactions.
Market Trends and Deal Flow: The company expects geopolitical uncertainty to persist but sees a durable opportunity in the core middle market for generating long-term value. It anticipates continued deal flow in resilient, non-tariff-exposed sectors, supported by its proprietary deal sourcing engine and private equity relationships.
Credit Quality and Risk Management: NCDL plans to maintain its conservative underwriting approach, targeting low leverage and high interest coverage metrics. The company aims to sustain its high credit quality, with a focus on diversification and minimizing losses. It expects to continue benefiting from its rigorous underwriting and selective investment strategy.
Capital Deployment and Returns: The company intends to optimize its asset mix within the portfolio and actively reinvest cash from repayments and sales into high-quality assets. It aims to sustain attractive risk-adjusted returns for shareholders, leveraging its scale and differentiated sourcing capabilities.
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Shareholder Return Plan
Net Investment Income Exceeds Distribution: Net investment income of $0.46 per share exceeded the regular quarterly distribution of $0.45 per share.
Quarterly Dividend Payment: In July, a regular quarterly dividend of $0.45 per share was paid, equating to an annualized yield of approximately 10% on the quarter-end net asset value.
Share Repurchase Program: The company completed a nearly $100 million share repurchase program authorized at the time of its IPO, repurchasing approximately 5.9 million shares at a discount to NAV.
Impact of Share Repurchase Program: The share repurchase program positively impacted the net asset value by approximately $0.09 per share.
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Key Q&A
Q:Do you have any other levers to accrete more NII in the coming quarters?
A:Management is focused on redeploying cash from repayments into an attractive middle market pipeline. They are maintaining leverage at the upper end of the range and have accumulated spillover income as a buffer. They feel confident about maintaining earnings at the current level assuming favorable market conditions.
Q:What is the size of the backlog today relative to the beginning of the year, and what is the sentiment on deal flow?
A:The deal flow is at an incredible level, back to all-time records, with high-quality opportunities. The pipeline and backlog are excellent, and deal activity is robust even during typically slow periods like August. Spreads have leveled out at 4.50%-4.75%, and the company is optimistic about deal activity heading into the fall.
Q:How much of the rotation from upper middle market to traditional middle market is left, and what is the impact on earnings?
A:Most of the rotation is complete, with only a handful of millions left. The rotation has resulted in a portfolio with attractive weighted average spreads, and the impact on earnings is already reflected. Management does not anticipate significant further changes.
Q:Where might spreads go in the next few quarters?
A:Spreads have been gradually drifting down and are currently at 4.50%-4.75%. Management does not anticipate much further tightening, with a potential bottom at 4.25%. They expect spreads to remain in the mid-400s range, maintaining a yield premium to liquid credit markets.
Q:What is included in the $6.5 billion closed or committed in the first half of the year, and how much fits within NCDL?
A:Of the $6.5 billion, $4.8 billion was in senior lending and $1.4 billion in junior capital strategies. 78 of the 191 transactions were in core middle market senior lending. Despite a slow April and May, deal activity is strong, and NCDL is expected to remain fully invested with high-quality assets.
Q:What are the plans for a new share repurchase program?
A:The recently completed share repurchase program was successful, and management is evaluating whether to implement a new program. There are no current plans, but it remains an ongoing discussion.
Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses
A:Management avoided providing a direct answer regarding the implementation of a new share repurchase program, stating only that it is under evaluation without committing to any specific plans.
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